So tired of losing all my stuff
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 3,680
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05-12-2008 10:06
Just spoke to Live Chat about the way that so many things I paid money for disappear on transfer or just plain disappear.
I dunno - being fobbed off with it being my connection - it makes no sense at all how so many other people are having problems. If you give something to someone and it never arrives then it never arrives so where does it go?
I'm tired of feeling like I have things stolen from me every single flipping day. I'm also tired of the response which I can see is a little from Column A and a little from Column B.
Still, who am I to complain, I've only pumped thousands of dollars through this place after all.
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Phil Deakins
Prim Savers = low prims
Join date: 17 Jan 2007
Posts: 9,537
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05-12-2008 10:11
It can't be the connection. If your end didn't tell the far end to move/rez something, then as far as the server is concerned, it's still where it was, and when you log in again, that's where it will be. Your end can fail to send data and fail to receive data because of a poor connection, but the server should have a location for the item regardless of any of that. In other words, it's the far end that's at fault when something goes missing, and stays missing..
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 3,680
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05-12-2008 10:13
Today's one was giving a valued item to a friend ... who was offline but has since confirmed it never arrived.
I just despair of the way things are going right now.
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Nika Talaj
now you see her ...
Join date: 2 Jan 2007
Posts: 5,449
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05-12-2008 10:19
Yes and no, Phil. Empirically, I think it's pretty clear the various forms of inventory loss occur much more frequently when packets are being lost. This symptom is why the description of the Jira meta-issue for inventory loss for a long time read something like "Transaction-oriented database system needed for inventory". It used to be pretty clear that there was something loosey-goosey in the handshaking between servers or between server and client that opened a window where lost packets could cause lost inventory.
However, I haven't seen that happening in a while. Cherry, are you losing new things as well as things you haven't used in a while? And, just for curiosity's sake, how large is your inventory? There used to be a correlation between large inventories and massive inventory loss. Not that that's any sort of excuse for it happening. .
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Phil Deakins
Prim Savers = low prims
Join date: 17 Jan 2007
Posts: 9,537
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05-12-2008 10:19
From: Cherry Czervik Today's one was giving a valued item to a friend ... who was offline but has since confirmed it never arrived.
I just despair of the way things are going right now. A slow connection could cause the 'give' data not to be sent from you, in which case the server will have the item where it iwas - in your inv. Or it could receive your data, but your friend didn't receive the data that it was given because of a slow connection, in which case the item would be on the server. In that case, if the item is removed from your inv before it's actually given to the other person, then it could be in limbo because the other person didn't accept it - no notice of it, so no acceptance of it. That would mean a badly designed server end that isn't designed to return the object to the giver when the other end fails. Again, it's server end that's at fauly, and not the connections.
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Phil Deakins
Prim Savers = low prims
Join date: 17 Jan 2007
Posts: 9,537
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05-12-2008 10:22
Lost packets are easily caused by poor connections, but a packet doesn't contain an object. The object stays on the server, and is somewhere. If it's necessary for everything to work properly for a transfer to succeed without losing the object, then it's bad design, and not the fault of poor connections.
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 3,680
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05-12-2008 10:26
SLX items don't arrive either Nika.
This is why I can accept in the case of myself (using a BT Home Hub "router" aka may as well be bashing two bricks together) not communicating. But some of the stuff going walkies is my friend.
It's definitely not in my inv. My inv is on the large side tho not excessively large (and liable to get smaller still if I give everything away (not that it will arrive) and delete all the no trans, sell my land, cash out and never look back which is what I am starting to feel like doing).
If it were a case of my connection only, then I'd be a lot more philosophical than I am. However, with those database and asset server array failures I am not that confident that the items in question are even out there in the ether.
I'm not the only one having these problems though.
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Quaintly Tuqiri
Still learning
Join date: 18 Feb 2008
Posts: 220
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05-12-2008 13:16
From: Cherry Czervik SLX items don't arrive either Nika. SLX items (and other transfers) seem to be treated as an IM when arriving at an avatar who's offline. If the avatar's IMs are capped, the items won't be delivered. But they will disappear from the giver's inventory if they are non-copy. I have no idea where they go. From what I've noticed, SL seems to treat group notices, IMs and all other items (notecards, objects etc) as IMs when the avatar is offline. This means that if you are a member of a group that sends out lots of notices, you can get IMs capped uber fast. I don't know whether I'm correct or not, but I've noticed that when I log in it will tell me that IMs are capped, yet I didn't receive a single IM but had a lot of group notices while I was offline. That's why I unsubscribed from Fashion Consolidated. After I did that, my IMs didn't get capped as often.
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Matthew Dowd
Registered User
Join date: 30 Jan 2007
Posts: 1,046
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05-12-2008 13:45
From: someone From what I've noticed, SL seems to treat group notices, IMs and all other items (notecards, objects etc) as IMs when the avatar is offline Which is why I've always been puzzled with the advice to send a notecard rather than an IM in case the recipients IM's are capped. My experience also, is that if IM's get capped it also includes inventory offers getting "capped" including notecards. Matthew
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Ciaran Laval
Mostly Harmless
Join date: 11 Mar 2007
Posts: 7,951
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05-12-2008 13:52
Aww Cherry you should pop round my house and test it. Bring beer!
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Dekka Raymaker
thinking very hard
Join date: 4 Feb 2007
Posts: 3,898
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05-12-2008 13:58
From: Cherry Czervik …using a BT Home Hub "router" aka may as well be bashing two bricks together… Cherry that's the problem, get TalkTalk broadband, all my problems with my internet connection stopped, I upgrade all my friends to TalkTalk, BT really really is crap. Also BT have started asking me to go back to them with 'special deals' and I think 'wtf' how is it a special deal if it's a worst connection and costs more than I'm paying now, check out the level 3 international package, I get my broadband and all my calls including international for £23.50 a month, only calls to mobiles get charged extra.
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