Landlords: Deeding objects to group

I have a couple questions--I have a few parcels set up with landscaping and houses for the purpose of rentals. The land is deeded to a group in which myself and one of my biz partners are the owners. I have two membership subcategories to differentiate between ground-level renters and skybox renters.

One of my tenants has some electronics that need to be deeded to group in order to work, so I've had him do that. I've also allowed him access to move group-owned objects.

He has informed me that all my belongings, i.e. landscaping, structures MUST be deeded to the group so that he can see what belongs to him and his fellow roommates in "About Land/Objects" screen. (Which, by the way, never seems consistent to me). He says this is standard procedure, i.e. all landlord-owned stuff should be deeded to group. I"m not comfortable with this, and not so sure why it should be required.


So, my questions: 1: How do I return a group-deeded object, like a TV, to this tenant upon his vacancy?

2: Why should I have to deed my objects, as landlord, to group....what are the pros and cons? (I do not use the autoreturn function).

3: WHy can't my tenant see his object count in the About Land >> Objects screen, but he can see objects owned by one of his roommates? (All are in same group with same perms).

4. Is it the landlord's responsibility, or the tenants, to keep track of prim counting (via objects screen or a prim counter). I have HippoRent Web, but haven't quite figured out how to get it to report tenant-owned objects.

Thanks in advance. I've been a renter for a while, and have several other properties, and have never come across these issues/questions before.

That is false. What needs to be enabled to see parcel object owners is the power to toggle the options in about land, I believe. There is no specific power about viewing the object owners. I wish they would just allow anyone to see the prim counts and owners on parcels without tying it to the toggling of options.


Take it into inventory and drop onto his inventory. It is safer than hoping that the non-transferable deeded items won't be deleted, as you often see in warning popups.

There are no pros. You put the entire structure at risk of him deleting or otherwise moving them, since you gave this cat power to move group items. Plus, you will not be able to differentiate what is his and what is yours if you deed all the objects, because the GROUP becomes the owner.

see above - it's tied to one of the about land toggle powers.

Both, but the onus often falls on you to get it done, even though they could just zoom out and select only their objects.

1. You pick up the object and send it to them, or sell it to them for 0 linden and they can pick it up themselves.

2. You do NOT have to deed all of your items to group, he just wants it that way I am assuming so that your items show in the Objects owned by pacel owner (the group) so that his items that show in SET to group and he can tell the number. Its easier for him, yes, but thats a lot to deed and then he can easily move anything that is deeded to the group if given those rights to do his TV etc. The last set of numbers are those not set to group.

3. What they can or cannot see under the objects tab is determined by the Parcel Content roles within the group. If they are not allowed to return things that are set to group, they wont even show in thelist. If they are allowed to return things that are not set to group, it will show. Were the items of his friend set to group properly?

4. Both. You want to keep track of it so thatif they ever go over their limit you can inform them and give them a lil bit of time to fix the issue, it is also their job because hey, its a limit, they need to honor it. Another solution is to tell him how many items YOU have on the land and he can just subtract that from the total?

A simple way for him to see his prims is to go to Tools and check the 'Select only my objects' option and then go into edit mode, hold shift and right click todrag abox around eveything on his parcel (pardon the messed up space bar, dun wanna fix it) That will highlight everything within the box that is his ONLY and on the edit window will give a total of the prims. You could also just tell them that anytime they wonder you could check.

NO landlord has to do something the way any other landlord has. Its your choice, you are not obligated to do anything just because another has. Good luck and I hope I didnt confuse you at all haha.

Simply return it the regular way and it'll return to the person who owned it last.

Really? I often have to sell them back to someone.

Wow. Thanks, everyone, for your prompt and thoughtful replies! I feel better able to talk to my tenant about these issues with your input.

Happy New Year!

I lost some things with the regular return way after the item was deeded. Just went poof. Its safer to sell it to them or pick it up and return it rather than risk the loss. If its a movie or something, those arent always cheap =/

tell him to take a leap.
bear in mind everything you use will have to be transferable if you do this. no more mod/copy prefabs and whatnot.

its been my experience that when a group deeded object is returned it simply vanishes. presumably because it is being returned to its owner (the group) which cant hold inventory items.

It's standard procedure in his twisted dreams. If he was a tenant of mine, he would have become a former tenant after he tried to feed my that load of crap.

Okay, are you ready to come clean? Who's alt are you, savvy resident answerer person?

i have an issue currently with one individual being able to return group deeded property and no, he does not have the right to do so in his group profile, non of my residents do. I have also checked and double checked with other residents that have the same group profile as this person and they can not return objects ive deeded to the group. I think it depends which way the wind blows as to what happens really lol

Fai xx

lol Not an alt, new main who has friends that are landlords. Every one does this so differently it can get uber confusing...did a lot of testing with said friends and you learn a lot making huge mistakes *cringes*

It's easy enough to actually test it for yourself to know what happens:

* rez a plywood box
* deed it to the group
* have someone return it (you, someone else or auto-return, it doesn't matter)

You'll notice that regardless of who/what causes the return it'll always end back up in your inventory because you were the last owner before the item got deeded.

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You could uncheck 'Transfer' on the plywood box before deeding to end up with a C/NT group-owned object that when returned will actually be deleted instead since it has nowhere to go back to (the permissions won't allow ownership transfer).

However, in this OP's case a return still wouldn't do any harm since the tenant has already abandoned the rental and noone could ever regain ownership of the object anyway.

Hi All,

This thread caught my attention because of some issues I was having with deeding objects to a group.

I am renting a place, and had bought a TV, which refused to work, an error about the parcel owner not being the object owner or something like that (recalling from memory!). The "Deed" button never became active, so I couldn't deed the object, even after selecting the check box. I spoke to my landlord, and she fixed it, but I see that the group now owns my TV, not that I am worried, I am sure that they will be returned to me if I moved out.

B.

This sounds like a problem I had last night with a jet ski rezzer station. I had deeded it to group, and that act broke the script in it. Fortunately, the maker replaced it at no charge. Unless a vendor tells you specifically that an object must be deeded to group in order to work properly, you shouldn't deed it, only "Set to Group."

This is so aggravating: There's a tiny, simple, stupid function that needs to run in a script owned by the parcel owner. It is completely beyond me why *all* TV makers don't just make their particular use of that function open-source so you can give copies to any landlord. It's not like that specific bit needs to be contained in any script that provides actual product-differentiating functionality.

The problem is that the power to deed is a group power that can be toggled by the owner. All the tenants in my group, for example, can deed their own objects to group. Some groups may restrict this power to certain roles.

Group deeding does have serious implications, though for the usual slate of activities for which deeding is used, it's not apparent. Any group deeded item will take money paid to it and pay to the group. Anyone who partakes in the accounting and shares in liability will get paid. If that is "everyone" then it is split evenly. If it is a select person or persons, they get it. If more objects were set up to receive money and pay to a group, this would be part of the greater consciousness, but it's not.

Radios, TVs, etc. do not usually deal with this, they just need the power to change media, as that power is held by the owner of the land (which is, in this case, the group).

Qie - what is that script? Is that something that would involve an active listener? Do we really need another script when all the owner has to do is tick on the group power for residents? I think not.

Well, a lot of radios and TVs work this way anyway. For example, one of the most common TVs, FreeView, is *kinda* this way, with "remotes" that aren't deeded and the main TV that is, which is great for when I set out TVs for tenants, but would be kinda backwards for the tenants to have to give me their TVs to set out, assuming the TVs were the expensive piece.

But yeah: for this to work, the group-deeded bit has to be in a separate object from the TV itself, and by far the most efficient way for two objects to talk to each other is with an open listen on some obscure channel. (For radios, the relevant LSL function call is llSetParcelMusicURL(), for TVs, they're llParcelMediaCommandList() and llParcelMediaQuery().)

But I definitely take your point about tenant parcel permissions. My life has been much easier ever since I gave each tenant their own parcel group and all the permissions they could reasonably want!