group owned vs singly owned, setting a "home" landmark, and changing to group owned

So I have 1/2 region mainland. I'm renting some space to a couple people but they can't set their home location to my land even though in the group permissions I gave them the ability explicitly to set home for group owned land.

Right now my land is set:
Owner: Emily Triskaidekaphobia
Group: Tea Drinker's Union

Even though they're in the group the land is assigned to in "group" because the owner is just me, apparently, they can't make it their home.

1. Is there any work around to this?
2. Is there any way to smoothly make my land group owned? One thing I'm afraid of is my own stuff being returned to me if its not set to group. With 1/2 region of stuff as you might imagine I got a lot of things out. Almost impossible to check it all object by object manually.

Any insight into this?

1. Deed the land to the group.
2. Don't turn on autoreturn, but if people manage to drop objects on your land, you will have to clean it up. I dislike that option. What I would do, if I were you, is zoom way out, adjust tools to select only your objects, highlight everything, and then set them to the right group. Then turn on autoreturn.

you have to deed to group to enable it to be set to home by ppl in the group

also if the land is subdivided make sure you do the deed to group on all of them, then set your objects to group before you go to each plot and turn on auto return

do not turn on auto return until you have all plots deeded and all object set to group

Having typed almost word-for-word Cristalle's response--only much more slowly--just wanted to instead ask: As long as one remains in the Owner role of a group, will auto-return actually return from group-owned land your stuff that's not set to group? (I have some evidence that this doesn't happen, but I wouldn't want to risk finding a half-sim worth of stuff in my Lost & Found.)

I have had stuff returned to me that was not set to group on group deeded land with auto return

that is why malls always get you to join the group and tell you to have the tag active (group active) when you rez your vendors or whatnot

so when it rezzes it auto is set to group

i dont have much experience with non group land, i can really help with the lm issue.
as far as deeding the group to land, thats pretty easy. its already set to group, so turn off auto return, tick the boxes 'allow deed' and 'owner makes contribution', and then click 'deed'.


your objects will not be returned unless you turn on autoreturn.
you can set all your objects group pretty easily:
set draw distance quite high, then..
in the client menu, select 'tools'. make sure the following are enabled -
- select only my objects
- select by surrounding
- show hidden selection
make sure this is UNticked- select only movable.

right click a random prim and select 'edit'. click and drag a box around the entire half sim, now when you click 'set to group' it will set all those prims to group.
look at the land menu 'objects' pane and track down and prims that arent set to group. ive noticed that linden trees dont seem to get selected unless you select them individually (or shift select); the bounding box thing fails on them. so if you see there are some pims not set to group look at trees and plants carefully.
of course if there are renters or others' objects on the property that opens another can of worms.

Thanks, I understand the actual procedure now. I'll just have to take my chances that I was careful with my group tag 99% of the time.

I hit cancel on a box that said "all land sales will be divided evenly among the group" I guess that means if I decide to sell at some point I best darned be sure I kick everyone out of my group or can I claim it back for myself?

Also, I really own two other pieces ... but by not deeding that then they're still exempt from all this I should presume since I'm still the only owner of those two.

And what if I decide I want to sell half of it and keep the rest for 'the group', some scenario like that? I have quite an investment in this.

go into your group and untick 'group liabilities' for everyone except the owner group!

Emphatically, yes.

What happens is, first you spend 3 days putting together a really nice build, lots of furniture and plants and the whole thing. Then when you're done, you sit back and relax and feel really good. Then you notice that autoreturn isn't on, so you turn it on.

Then when everything vanishes, you figure it's an SL glitch and stuff is really still there but your client is just not rendering it. Then you get up and walk around and notice you aren't bumping into or tripping over anything. Then you start asking the other people who are standing around where the furniture once was, if they see furniture or not. Then as the panic builds, you shout a dirty word across 1/4 of the sim, then collapse in a corner while your friends try and give you moral support.

At least, this is what I've heard...

-Atashi

You can sell it, but money will go to those who participate in the accounting. If that is supposed to be only you, then uncheck that for all other group members. It is on by default for everyone to participate. No need to kick people out.

Yes, by not deeding, your other land is unaffected.

What if what? So you sell the land and tier down to a quarter sim. From there, do what you want. What is the real question under the question?

if you decide to sell half of it later you can subdivide the land into two (or more parcels). but when you sell group owned land the proceeds are split amongst any members of the group that have 'group liabilities' enabled.

Thanks. That's useful.

EDIT :: STRIKE: Ok the owner of the group is only me. And I only have that assigned to the owner group. But in the roles it has it checked in the Everyone group under "Accounting" : Pay group liabilities and ... (can't read the rest of it). I can't uncheck that.
EDIT: REPLACE = so it looks like a UI glitch, I have it unchecked now.

Is that because Everyone includes Owners and since Owners has it Everyone "appears" to because the box is uneditable (as it would affect "Owners" too) ?

I'm paranoid but it is a half region I'm deeding here ... thanks for bearing with me

Another must is make sure you make an alt and have it as a member of the group!
If everyone leaves your group it will be disbanded and you will lose your land to the Lindens.
There must be at least 2 members of a group or it will poof along with your land!

I know a good lawyer.

Well wouldn't that be a joy? Well, there's not too much chance of that happening without my knowing it, but actually that is covered. Has this scenario played out before?

no, you should be albe to go to the 'roles' tab and untick 'pay group liabilities' for everyone.
fwiw, if you go to 'abilities' you can select things and get explanations of what that particular perm means.

you can always look for the land group in world and join it and ask them about it (one of the posters here has it in their sig line)

I have not joined but have thought about joining it to offer my support, just I have few slots left for groups.

If you need help just give me a shout

Thanks I have it sorted mostly. The checkbox thing just seemed to be a UI glitch. Only I have the liability. I also deeded owner support with it all, which is intended. I turned off auto return. I had about 300 prims worth of stuff that ended up not being deeded to group, which would mean it's all mine. So now I'm just walking around using "show" to point these things out (trees, mostly) and setting them. I'm down to 130 or so prims so I'm almost done. Then I can turn on return again.

Thanks everyone.

As a follow up ... the 110% thing is handy. I mentioned I was over my 1/2 region so I'm tagged for full, well I was able to carve that out a lot nicer. Now my "1/2" is slightly larger than 1/2 and I have a nice 4096 beach/water combo that is more saleable in its current state.

All around a nice day.

Apologies in advance for any optimism expressed here to the antagonists

oh been there done that.. still stings....

Rhaorth,

1. If you have a large group-owned parcel and then subdivide it, would there be any problems? Or do you need to go back and re-check each parcel before enabling autoreturn?

2. "objects set to group" -- you mean the "share with group" box is checked, or that they are actually deeded to the group? If the latter, I've been running up against the permissions-changing-when-deeding-objects-to-group feature (not a bug, but highly annoying anyway, when you want to modify something.)

If it started as one big parcel owned by the group, all the small ones will be as well. Ownership stays the same unless you sell it.

Subdividing land sets autoreturn to 0. You need to check every parcel if you want autoreturn on.

As for "objects set to group" - that is simply the equivalent of an object being rezzed with the group tag on. Every item has a group setting, as you already know, but if the wrong group is enabled on plot with autoreturn, it will be returned in the autoreturn's time limit. There is no need to deed every object to group - just radios, tvs, and security systems.