SPAM Question

6-8 avatars spammed the heck out of me, each giving 4-8 unidentifiable objects, which i declined.

most of the names came as unnamed (unidentifable), but when i muted them their names showed on the list.

i researched the ones i did mute, and they are all established characters who don't seem (at surface) to be the type who would spam.

so, before i AR them for spamming, i have to ask.... is it possible to be spammed by someone who has inserted someone else's name? what if the same spammer did that, using MY name..... ???

i can IM each character, but if they are spamming, they will naturally deny it. since i am not allowed to post the names, i see no way of determining their innocence, altho one of the names seems familiar, as if i have seen it here possibly. i'm not sure......

wut to do, wut to do... wut should i do?

Well what should happen is you should AR it and then if the Lindens would do the right thing they would just look at their logs to see what reall happen but as we all know thats not going to happen. Not sure what to tell you other then mute them.

YOU have fallen victim to this sort of scummy trickery, and i'm so glad YOU replied. you are the reason i have waited. i don't want to AR innocent people and have them suspended. and, it was not just me. my whole group was spammed. they are waiting for me to decide......

when you say LL will look at their logs, you mean they CAN tell if the avatars in question did it, or someone else? remember, i denied all objects, so it's not in MY history. one of my pals may have acccepted one tho....

were you checking creators name or owners name?
always check owners name, as some griefers will use items that are mod/transfer that others made and use those to spam, as most ppl will check creator instead of owner (of course if the item was sent to you, then you become the owner, thus only thing left to check is the creator)
in that case, go to your account info on here (the website) and look at the transaction history to see who sent them)

ok sorry if I am rambling, brain fuzzy just added some stuff to onrez, always make me fuzzy after that and I tend to ramble after writing descriptions for things that are for sale...

*shuts self up*

oops forgot to say what I would do
I would report them, not up to me to decide if they are the type to do this or not.
What if their account has been compromised, then your reporting it might actually alert LL to the fact that these accounts have been hijacked (or something)

This was a problem earlier in the evening of 20 October SLT; Ryan Linden sent out a bunch of Noisemakers by accident (?) and everyone was getting them. They popped up all over the Forum Hangout and were promptly removed about half an hour after they showed up. No one's really sure what the deal was.

not that name, and they were all "unidentifiable objects"

it's not the creator name i muted, but the senders. i have a list of 6, but there were more.

very strange but as mentioned in previous rambling post, I would report, just in case the accounts have been hijacked

3Ring; these objects were all over the grid. They had different owners listed but all happened at around the same time. People were all confused, then the objects all disappeared after a bit.

ok. to be factual, i can't remember everything i read now, so i'm going to just let it go. thanks Oryx. it must have been that.

I've been seeing more and more of this kind of crap lately. Usually it's some "free sculpted sex toy" or something similar.

Since scripts can only see people within 96m, the best thing to do, aside from not accepting it, is to head to a skybox well away from anybody that might accept candy from strangers then rez it to the floor and check the creator of the script in it - usually, it's somebody with an empty profile born recently. If no name shows up on the creator, LL has already smacked them - just delete it and go back to having fun.

If a name does show up, AR the creator then, if you can, do an support chat with a Linden and send them the RT number from the abuse report and let them know. Some I've talked to didn't seem too interested, others said thanks and that they'd poke the abuse team. Dunno if it actually helps to AR then give LL a shout. They haven't told me to shut up yet so I keep doing it.

What you really don't want to do is rez it near other people. Once you do, its script will start trying to pass itself out to anybody nearby. Since you're the owner, they'll think it's coming from you.

Viruses have come to the grid. Be careful of accepting objects..

Just because someone *created* something, doesn't mean they are the griefer! Please don't AR them just because they created the script or object. It is easy to modify a totally innocent script to make it a griefing tool so long as the original had modify permissions enabled.

Under no circumstances should you ever rez anything that had been given to you this way. There are some really nasty objects out there that can do a lot of damage. If you ever accept an item and you're not sure what it is...delete it from your inventory immediately and forget about it.

In answer to the OPs question, I believe there are ways to make it appear like a totally innocent avatar is the griefer. I have no idea how they do this but one time me and my partner were in a store and he offered me lots of random objects...except he wasn't doing it.

If somebody is slamming you with stuff then I would say they are a griefer.
The fact is everything that takes place in SL is logged someplace. Now how long they hang on th thoose logs is another question but there are logs. Problem is the Lindens do not have the time or the man power to lookup things everytime somebody files with them. I wish to god they would get a system is place so that they can make it easy for their staff to just look at someones logs to see if what they are saying holds water or not. I think that alone would solve a ton of issues with the fact that there is no law in SL.

I don't agree - if a script is griefing you _and_ spreading, people should absolutely AR it. That said, I do hope that LL has some way to sort out people who made evil scripts vs ones that made good ones then had them changed. If somebody thinks that the script creator isn't the person intending grief, you just just add that to the AR.

I ran into this some time back. Griefers using objects that the Owner AND the Creator showed up as "Philip Linden" (nice touch there though).

I ARed it (mainly cause I didn't care if Phil gets banned fromt he grid or not ROFL) and filed a Support Ticket asking if LL can tell the "real" owners on items like this.

I got all sorts of replies (I reopened the ticket like 10 times) but never got an answer (anyone surprised there?). I'm taking the run around I got to eman that either LL can NOT tell when an item is "hacked" to be pegged as another user from the oen rezzing it, or that LL is too lazy to even look into it. Your choice on your opinions.

Personally, I'd un-mute all the names that came up due to your muting the popups. My own theory on how SL selected those names is that it was random when there was no name attached. Either that or the system picked the last name used by such and such program to populate your system request.

I would note all the names somewhere (preferably on hardcopy in RL so they can't be lost), and then, if you are griefed again, you can reference any names that pop up due to muting the popup and deduce if the system works then. If you go this route, I would personally like to know if it was a go or a bust on the system. Hopefully, you never get the same grief again and never have to find out.

As for Spam....I like it fried, and on a toasted bun with garlic butter ^.^

~Jessy

Another trick used is the object will look for other avs nereby, then change its name to that av and them spam you making it look like you were spammed by an av near you instead of by an pbject. Very evil. And yes, once again blindly ARing someone based on that just causes more trouble for everyone...

There seems to be cycles where I get flooded with strange gifts. I usually ignore or mute them.
You would think Lindens would know what is happening and do something about people
abusing the system in such away or find away to make it less rewarding...yet not sure
what so rewarding about this.
I often wondered how they locate that quickly every single avatar online and auto send all that and why they would even bother doing this unless they extremely bored and the required mental effort to figure this out to do this I wonder what could be done with same effort for good instead of just being annoying?
I don't get griefing I guess any more then I get why someone would make a virus or hack into someone's computer or server.

You can set your account up (on the main SL page) to forward messages/notices to your email that is associated with your avatar's name. It will tell you who sent the items.

I had this happen througout a whole sim (Milehouse) and also found shuttlecocks on the ground in my parcel, filled up the parcel and lagged the hell out of it. Both the requests and shuttlecocks were from the same person. Upon investigation (The birdies were set to group, that group owns land in a nearby sim), I found birdies from them and their partner in almost every parcel in the sims surrounding that groups property, as well as got more requests from items belonging to that group upon movement closer to the land...

The group is renting land out though, so either its accidental somehow or griefers or something wer ebuying land there for access to the sims.. iono though

I completely agree that people should AR griefing objects (Report Abuse from the pie menu).

Issue - How do you report abuse on an object that's in your trash or in your inventory? I don't think it's possible without rezzing it first. Which may lead to much badness...

I also agree that reporting griefers is a must do.

Issue - How do you determine exactly who is griefing you? It's easy when they're standing right in front of you yelling abuse and throwing cages about. But in this kind of scenario it's practically impossible.

What I disagree with Sindy is the idea of finding out who created an object/script and raising the AR against that person. There is no way of telling if the creator made a griefing tool or had one of their mundance modifiable objects/scripts hacked. I personally am very careful about ARing someone unless I know they are guilty.

Can anyone suggest an alternative route in this instance?