A Mysteryyy

Hope someone can help with this

I have group owned land, I do rentals...all the residents are joined to the group..and each has the same settings...they can ONLY do the basics...the only people who can do more our the owners (myself & my partner)& manager. NO resident has the "can return " anytihng marked, they all come under one tag.

SO...it was really surprising the other night, to have a homes door returned to me by a resident! The door was on group land..and is group owned. The individual who did it is a member of the group that the land is owned by and I checked and rechecked the setting/allowances..the option to do this is NOT ticked. We then asked a couple of other residents to try and do the same...we made a box..deeded it to the group (as was the door that got returned) and asked them to try and return it...or do ANYTHING with it...they could not.

Is this a fluke? Or does this individual have some way of hacking into something? We did ask him how he did it..and more importantly WHY...he didnt "really know" why and went strangely hesitant to answer anything else.

Anyone have any ideas how this can happen?
thank youuu
Fai x

Did the tenant delete the door? My tenants have done that on more than one occasion. In fact, they have deleted entire houses, and they have been returned to my Lost and Found.

Currently, I have my rental homes locked, but the unlinked doors aren't locked. If they delete the door, I'll just have to replace it when I'm back inworld, and the tenant can feel embarrassed in the meantime.

After you Deed something to group, you can also still Share it. If you do, anybody in the group can Take it, Delete it, or Return it.

i dont believe thats true>? if it were...why couldnt the other two residents, also in the group do the same? No one has the right to remove,delete,return on my group land apart from me, my partner and my manager...most everything is deeded to the group or mine...in almost a year of renting properties...ive never come across this..and Im sure with the high amount of newbs...i wouldve if this were true lol. The doors not linked..but ARE owned by me ...so ....how did he do this and no one else can? strange huh?
(btw...you set this things through the group...each member has a defined *role* and within that role you can grnat certain rights...the residents have none bar the ones they need to live there ie: LM,fly, mark as home)
Faixx

Check the settings for the role "everyone". One or two browser versions back, when they introduced new group settings, some stuff got switched around. "Everyone" does indeed affect every member of the group and overrules the settings for individual roles.

did you explain to the resident that the ability for them to do that is turned off, and would like to know what they did and how, so you could bug report it

as it is likely a bug

if they are innocent and did not somehow hack or whatnot, then they should be willing to assist you with this

just explain to them when filing bug reports you have to be able to recreate the event, and try to get them to explain what happened, or do it again for you

could be random bug, or they might know something we do not

if that were the case then the other ppl that she tested it with, should also have been able to return stuff

which they could not

You must remove the ability of the non-owners to manipulate group objects.

This is a huge PITA for me, as I installed security with all my units, and people keep picking up the ejector and re-rezzing it without re-deeding to the group, rendering it useless. I got tired of this, and removed the ability for people to manipulate group objects. Unfortunately for me, that means that I now have to physically grab & return radios/tvs upon moving out or redecorating, but that is fewer and farther between than fixing the ejectors.

from my understanding, the non owners do not have that ability
except managers which it sounds like she trusts completely

it was neither that returned the item, it was a reg tenant

which according to what she posted, they should not have been able to do

Deleting is not the same as returning, and may fall under the ambit of manipulation of group objects.

Any chance they went over their prim limit? If that happens, something _is_ going to get returned - it'll pick non-group things first but if everything is set to the group, it'll pick something at (semi) random to return..

So, my hypothesis was that just the one door had somehow gotten *Shared* with group, after it had gotten Deeded. Before I posted, I tested this by putting an alt in the Everyone role (which role did not have any of the Return abilities); he was nonetheless able to return a Deeded and Shared object, but not a regular Deeded object. (Of course, if this is even the explanation, it would only raise the question of how that one door came to be Shared. But I've made that mistake myself, so it's at least possible.)

wouldn't that then give a message of auto returned or something like that, and not from a specific resident

also , she mentioned that no one has the ability to do anything other than the very basics, and why would that one person in the same roles as the rest, be able to do it, while the rest in the same role can not?

I think that is what is puzzling her, and it is puzzling me as well hehe

Rhaorth, youre EXACTLY right...and thank you to everyone else for your reposnses too
Ive checked & rechecked what permissions ive give the roles...Ive tested with other residents if they can do what this person did (and they cant) No one but myself , my partner & manager can manipulate group or any other objects ...im at aloss why he could. I really wanted to ask him to test out something else with me...but hes not very approachable and infact refused or chose to ignore me when I approached him after the incedent. I havent set my hippo boxes to return prims,if they are over their prim limit (which they were not anyway) The individual is pretty surly...and not very friendly...which is cool...as a landlord i dont need to be a friend lol...BUT this IS mystifying me...how he did it...(apart frm the whole WHY he did it issue lol)
Im thinking an SL glitch (god i HOPE so) or bug...i think ill report it and see what happens...

thanks guys!
love Fai xx

/me still bets (but without L$ so it's legal) that the parcel got overfilled and the sim returned the door all by itself..

meade the thing is though, if the sim returned the door, it would not say that the resident returned the door
and she specifically stated that the door was returned by the resident

have you pulled the door from the lost and found and rezzed it again to check if it was mistakenly set to be shared with group (that was one logical explanation that someone mentioned)

Other than that, I am also mystified

Unfortunately, I think those ownership and sharing settings will all get reset when returned and rezzed. So even if I guessed right, we'll never know.

/me thinks Meade is betting on the message being wrong rather than the whole group permissions thing having a bug/exploit. It's easy enough to test...

I think this is a bug. In a few of the groups i am in i somehow have the ability to eject/freeze residents on group land and also to return objects even though i should not. I have checked the abilities for my role in these groups and should not have these options.

well I just tested, I made a cube, set share with group (not owned by group though, cuz she said the door was owned by her) I even checked allow anyone to move

I then returned the item to myself (not take, but actually return)

took out of lost and found, rezzed and the settings remained...

also I turned off my group, rezzed it again from lost and found, and the boxes are still checked

AND just to test one last thing to cover all bases

I deeded it to group with share and allow anyone to move, returned it, yep of course came back to me as I was the owner before the group

and it still has boxes checked

so she could rez the door and see if any of those boxes are checked to either confirm or eliminate that possibility

thank you all so much for thinking this through for me...we have tested and re tested all permutations and no one except this one person can do this ... however I cant now get a hold of him to see if he can do it with anything else...weve tested boxes, doors...objects all sorts with other residents and they could not manipulate these things in anyway at all (as the permissions for them are set the same as the person who did return the door, he sholdnt be able to either)..the sim didnt return it..it was named as returned by the resident and he confirms he did this (why, we dont know!) So we've reported it as a bug...see what the Lindens come up with...

I cant help but be alittle worried....one malicious person could do a lot of damage if they are able to find a way to return items they have no right to do

Thank you all...I'll let you know what news we get from the bug report

Fai xx