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Necis Hax
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07-09-2008 09:10
I seem to have gotten then impression from reading posts on this forum and some of LL blogs that add farms are illegal, but can anyone confirm that?

I really like the get the ad farm close to my land stopped before it becomes to huge, but will LL do anything about it or is banning ad farms just on the “some time in the future” list?
Meade Paravane
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07-09-2008 09:17
Advertising is not illegal..

Putting small ad plots up for sale at silly prices, in an attempt to extort area residents - "pay me a ton of money for this tiny parcel or I'll destroy your view" - is.
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Qie Niangao
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07-09-2008 09:17
There's a very narrow set of behaviors that used to be associated with the adfarm problem that have been explicitly banned. See http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/02/13/mainland-and-the-ad-farm-problem/. The G-Team reports that their marching orders are very tightly constrained in dealing with ARs associated with adfarms.

The constraints are not public; it is not known how expensive a parcel has to be to be bannable, nor how egregious the build. (I can report from repeat failed ARs that an 80m tall full-bright spinning megaprim is not enough to currently qualify as banned if it's sitting on a parcel that's for sale at only 400% fair market value.)
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Hok Wakawaka
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07-09-2008 09:33
FYI:

LL used the "ad farm" policy to remove a large fireworks display I had on my land on the July 4th weekend :-O. They had received a complaint from a new neighbor.

My land, Linden protected ocean-front spanning 1 1/2 sims comprising the largest marina in SL, was priced at 9 Ls /sq m.

How friggin unpatriotic and arbitrary is that?

I am in the process of appealing this action just as a matter of principal.

I was totally incensed and my blood is still boiling.

BTW: On an adjacent property there has been for a more than a week a 80m-tall. spininning. red and yellow "For Sale" sign. That lot is priced at 35 Ls/ sq m. wtf?
Ciaran Laval
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07-09-2008 10:10
With that surname this thread reeks of irony!
Qie Niangao
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07-09-2008 10:17
From: Ciaran Laval
With that surname this thread reeks of irony!
:D QFT, embarrassingly enough. It's all I can do to keep from Godwinning a perfectly innocent thread with a simile here, but absolutely true. I can't help but be reminded of that odious oaf every time I see those three letters, and to feel a twinge of totally undeserved "suspicion by association."
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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07-09-2008 10:26
One of my last G-Team visits included a land question about non-adfarm adfarms. Basically, if the land is exorbitantly priced and detracts form it's surroudings, it qualifies as an ar-able grief build that can be punished in the same way as an adfarm. Why that parcel Qie mentioned hasn't been addressed kinda leads me to doubt that, but, it's pretty much a "horses mouth" statement from Socrates.... Hmm.... I have to check if I notecarded that meeting. (o.o) ... (^_^)y
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Amity Slade
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07-09-2008 10:35
I'm pretty sure that in the Knowledge Base FAQs, there is a FAQ on ad-farming.

I would have confirmed that before posting. But for some reason, when I try to log in to the Second Life web site, it directs me directly to the registration page, and I can't find the FAQs and all.
Meade Paravane
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07-09-2008 10:36
From: Amity Slade
I'm pretty sure that in the Knowledge Base FAQs, there is a FAQ on ad-farming..

/me points to http://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=5089

edit: the KB article seems largely a copy/paste from Jack Linden's original blog post on this issue: http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/02/13/mainland-and-the-ad-farm-problem/
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Hok Wakawaka
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07-09-2008 10:41
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
One of my last G-Team visits included a land question about non-adfarm adfarms. Basically, if the land is exorbitantly priced and detracts form it's surroudings, it qualifies as an ar-able grief build that can be punished in the same way as an adfarm. Why that parcel Qie mentioned hasn't been addressed kinda leads me to doubt that, but, it's pretty much a "horses mouth" statement from Socrates.... Hmm.... I have to check if I notecarded that meeting. (o.o) ... (^_^)y



Well. when you find that card please send it to the commie-pinko LL G-Man who took down my red, white, and blue fireworks display on land that is priced below market on the 4th of July weekend because my new commie-pinko neighbor complained about it.

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FYI:

LL used the "ad farm" policy to remove a large fireworks display I had on my land on the July 4th weekend :-O. They had received a complaint from a new neighbor.

My land, Linden protected ocean-front spanning 1 1/2 sims comprising the largest marina in SL, was priced at 9 Ls /sq m.

How friggin unpatriotic and arbitrary is that?

I am in the process of appealing this action just as a matter of principal.

I was totally incensed and my blood is still boiling.

BTW: On an adjacent property there has been for a more than a week a 80m-tall. spininning. red and yellow "For Sale" sign. That lot is priced at 35 Ls/ sq m. wtf?
Necis Hax
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07-09-2008 10:48
I assure you there is no irony or laughing matter to me. I picked my land because there were no ad farms in sight and the place was nice and friendly looking.

Just did an AR on the farm, funny thing is that the parcels are owned by a lot of different groups, I guess it have been picked up by bots or something. The most expensive 16qm parcel is 4000L$ that’s just insane.

Anyway thanks for the links and the help, now I just have to hope LL actually do something about it and saves my little part of SL form becoming another sex and gambling ad hell…
Kiboe Munro
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07-09-2008 10:49
From: Hok Wakawaka
FYI:

LL used the "ad farm" policy to remove a large fireworks display I had on my land on the July 4th weekend :-O. They had received a complaint from a new neighbor.

My land, Linden protected ocean-front spanning 1 1/2 sims comprising the largest marina in SL, was priced at 9 Ls /sq m.

How friggin unpatriotic and arbitrary is that?

I am in the process of appealing this action just as a matter of principal.

I was totally incensed and my blood is still boiling.

BTW: On an adjacent property there has been for a more than a week a 80m-tall. spininning. red and yellow "For Sale" sign. That lot is priced at 35 Ls/ sq m. wtf?



was it mainland?, that's probley why, i don't rent mainland anymore for that reason, noobs and perverts like to snoop around your property.
Qie Niangao
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07-09-2008 10:56
From: Kiboe Munro
was it mainland?, that's probley why, i don't rent mainland anymore for that reason, noobs and perverts like to snoop around your property.
The operative word being "and". When I was a newbie, my perverted snooping was limited to the Mainland, too, but now I tend to favor private estates. A higher class of degradation, doncha know. ;)
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07-09-2008 10:58
From: Hok Wakawaka
FYI:

LL used the "ad farm" policy to remove a large fireworks display I had on my land on the July 4th weekend :-O. They had received a complaint from a new neighbor.

My land, Linden protected ocean-front spanning 1 1/2 sims comprising the largest marina in SL, was priced at 9 Ls /sq m.

How friggin unpatriotic and arbitrary is that?

I am in the process of appealing this action just as a matter of principal.

I was totally incensed and my blood is still boiling.

BTW: On an adjacent property there has been for a more than a week a 80m-tall. spininning. red and yellow "For Sale" sign. That lot is priced at 35 Ls/ sq m. wtf?

maybe your scripts were lagging the joint, and that's the only reason LL interefered. did you ask "why"?
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Hok Wakawaka
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07-09-2008 11:06
From: 3Ring Binder
maybe your scripts were lagging the joint, and that's the only reason LL interefered. did you ask "why"?


Nope--no lag-very strong sim-rated as "AWESOME " on conovers sim performance meter at all times even with the display.

They tell you almost nothing

I am preparing my appeal-don't want to put the display back now that the Holiday is over but I want a reversal of the finding

LL removed it on Sunday morning - I had intended to remove it Sunday evening


Here's all you get:

........

Second Life: Notice of Disciplinary Action

Dear Hok Wakawaka,

"Linden Lab individually investigates the circumstances of every Abuse
Report we receive. Following a careful review of our server records and
logs, we have determined that your recent actions violated the Second Life
Community Standards or Terms of Service. The violation in question occurred
on July 6, 2008 in the region of Hyeonjeong.

Violation: Community Standards: Harassment, Ad Farms

Residents may not use land as a means to harass or visually
spam another resident, where the intent is purely to compel
another resident to pay an unreasonable price to restore
their view.

We have returned one or more objects which were reported.

Repeated or continued violations in the same or further
regions, will result in suspension and/or termination of
your account.

Please see the official Linden Blog post regarding Ad Farm
policy at
http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/02/13/mainland-and-the-ad-farm-problem/



Discipline:

No additional action is being taken at this time.


Appeal Process: Any decision to issue a warning or suspension for your
Second Life account was reached after investigation of your use of the
Second Life software and service. If you would like to appeal a warning or
suspension notice, you may contact Second Life Support, in writing, at the
address below:

Second Life Support
Linden Lab
945 Battery Street
San Francisco, CA 94111

You may also appeal electronically by filing a support ticket via the
support portal at http://www.secondlife.com/support/


Sincerely,
Linden Lab

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Tobias Convair
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Join date: 17 Nov 2007
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07-09-2008 11:09
I have a question on a similar issue. I have discovered two spinning ads that have been placed on land owned by Governor Linden. They have been there as long as I have owned my land across the highway, for about eight months. I couldn't believe it, when I finally investigated and placed my own spinning marker on top of the offending ads that said "ads on linden land!". I expected someone of consequence to notice and do something about it, but its been a month now and nothing.

Anybody have any experience with this issue and know of a course of action?
Hok Wakawaka
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07-09-2008 11:12
From: Tobias Convair
I have a question on a similar issue. I have discovered two spinning ads that have been placed on land owned by Governor Linden. They have been there as long as I have owned my land across the highway, for about eight months. I couldn't believe it, when I finally investigated and placed my own spinning marker on top of the offending ads that said "ads on linden land!". I expected someone of consequence to notice and do something about it, but its been a month now and nothing.

Anybody have any experience with this issue and know of a course of action?


Send a notecard specifying the location to Guy Linden. Auto-Return should be turned on.
Qie Niangao
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07-09-2008 11:13
From: Tobias Convair
...I have discovered two spinning ads that have been placed on land owned by Governor Linden. [...] Anybody have any experience with this issue and know of a course of action?
Yep, and it's easy: file a support ticket. They'll disappear quickly. It was a screw-up that happened when the land was taken for Maintenance: it should have been set to auto-return, but that gets skipped sometimes, somehow.
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Talarus Luan
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07-09-2008 12:30
Join the fight against adfarms and land extortionists!

In case you don't have GreaseMonkey installed: http://etakeh-oh.net/adless/
Hope Zinner
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For Tel
07-09-2008 16:29
Keep up the good work!

I only have a basic account and I can't own any land, so people may wonder why I care.

I feel that this fight is a good one and will benefit every resident of every kind. These adfarmers are a blight on this world. Everyone should care.

Please go to at least one meeting. Each time that this subject comes up on the forums, make a post. Only if we speak, will we be heard. Sounds a little melodramatic, but it's true.

Oh, Tel...Is anyone sitting beside you yet? If I can make the next meeting, I will. I promise.
TundraFire Nightfire
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07-13-2008 13:42
There are a couple of tiny subdivided land plots near or next to my property. Some are for sale and all are over priced. One plot is even advertised as a potential legal add farm site. It's 16m. There's nothing on the plots yet except one. They are placed next to a future Linden road on a new sim, and one is next to a Linden maintenance plot. I just can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to buy a piece of land 16m for 4,000L or 4500L! Who would pay that?
Rebecca Proudhon
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07-13-2008 16:01
From: Hok Wakawaka
FYI:

LL used the "ad farm" policy to remove a large fireworks display I had on my land on the July 4th weekend :-O. They had received a complaint from a new neighbor.

My land, Linden protected ocean-front spanning 1 1/2 sims comprising the largest marina in SL, was priced at 9 Ls /sq m.

How friggin unpatriotic and arbitrary is that?

I am in the process of appealing this action just as a matter of principal.

I was totally incensed and my blood is still boiling.

BTW: On an adjacent property there has been for a more than a week a 80m-tall. spininning. red and yellow "For Sale" sign. That lot is priced at 35 Ls/ sq m. wtf?


This is one of the stupidest things I've heard. Of course there are going to be some moronic residents, but moronism from LL-----that they would immediatly take an action on this-----is mind boggling.

If it was from the film, "Idiocracy" (a comedy about a de-evolved future society) they might say it was a 'fire hazard."
Jeffrey Gomez
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07-13-2008 20:29
From: Rebecca Proudhon
If it was from the film, "Idiocracy" (a comedy about a de-evolved future society) they might say it was a 'fire hazard."

Of course, that logic is alive and well from the resident base.

Look at the number of clubs that ban anything looking like a gun, when it's oh-so-easy to put those scripts in anything.
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