Question about full perms/resell

i bought an item maybe a year or so ago and i have the ability to mod/copy/resell give away. does that mean I have implied consent that it's okay to change colors and stuff on it and resell it? The folder with the items I have doesn't give disclaimers or such and when i click on the object itself or a part of the object the creator comes out "unknown". I did some searching for the item and found out the creator is only selling modifiable ones now. Any help is appreciated thanks.

erm, are u asking if this is ethically alright to do? cuz i think u already know tha answer.

are u editing this prim a lot? i mean completely changing it around or using it in another build u are doing? if so u could merely IM tha creator an ask them, or let them know. u could even give credit in ur resell i 'spose.

btw, try clickin on tha root prim, or parent prim, you will get the creator. sometimes clicking on a child prim will temporarily block creator... but it usually, or should, show up... unless they used a null prim but i highly doubt that.

There's nothing unethical about selling items that have transfer rights, as long as they weren't purchased with a disclaimer that this shouldn't be done.

Best thing to do is to contact the creator.

i tried clicking the root prim and also inspecting it giving the full list of all the prims it says (nobody) under the creator. i tried contacting the person who is affiliated with the item. no response as of yet. i don't know if he is the actual creator or a reseller himself.

i would be using it in my creation also modifying the colors.

thanks for the reply.

I was about to suggest that possibility when I saw you already thought of it.

really?

well i hav given freinds builds i hav been working on, huds an stuff to test out for me, close friends... so ur saying it would be alright for them to resell my builds just because i trusted them? or say if i forgot to make it no trans... this would be alright?

the answer, of course, no it is NOT alright to resell someone else's build. there's grey area of course... if ur usin said item in a build of ur own, if said item is, lets say, old or was a freebie then perhaps that's alright too. as long as proper credit is given.

when u actually get to the point of asking for money for something... u should be responsible and honest about ur product. that's just my opinion.

Pickle. I think you got Ciaran's post in a pickle

He was talking about what the OP said - a bought item with full perms.

Go for it Lex. If an item was sold full-perms then, yes, it is implied that you WILL copy and transfer it and, presumably, modify it to futher copy and transfer your own versions.

Furthermore, it is correct and expected that you will give yourself credit for 'creating' an item if you have modified any products put on it. Personally, I'm useless as a graphic designer so I don't bother, instead I buy textures that I need. Sometimes I use mega-prims with a different creator too. Somehow, despite looking like someone else's work (texture) and being their prim (mega-prim) I still feel legitimate in calling the way I put them together 'my' work.

Lol - it all changes of course if you have any reason to believe that the original creator had not intended you to have the items full-perms in the first place.

well i did get a response. and they stated that he only sells copy versions and the one i have is copybotted or hacked?

is this possible?

i do remember seeing two different versions. one with a higher price than the other. and i decided to get the higher priced one because it was full perms and it was high quality stuff.

if it's possible i had a copied or hacked version i will in act of good faith not resell. i wish i could remember if the store i got it from was his or affiliated with his at the time.

Yup unfortunately it is very possible, especially as you have a full perm version.

If they're your friends and you've given it to them to test then it's pretty damn unethical of them to sell it, isn't it? However if you buy an item with trans permisions and you know it's not ripped, then there's absolutely nowt wrong with selling it, there are plenty of yard sales around in Second Life.

If the purchase was made within the previous 30 days, you can find out who you paid for it and on what sim by looking at your Transaction History on your Account page.

oh it has been more than 30 days definitely

Lex, it is by far more fun, more interesting, and better in every way to create something yourself. Why deny yourself that?

In general many people in SL will despise you if you sell copies of something that was made by someone else, unless you clearly have a license to resell it granted by the original creator.

I don't personally subscribe to this attitude if the object was released by the original creator with the "Resell/Give away" permission box checked, then in my opinion they explicitly granted those permissions (whether they meant to or not), as long as the object did not come with other specific license stipulations.

Unfortunately, the existence of CopyBot and reoccurring Second Life bugs, where permissions occasionally changed on their own during SL updates, make it more difficult to know for certain what the original creator's intentions were.

Contacting the creator and asking them is the proper thing to do, but you are not legally bound to do so.

If someone such as Pickle Soup knowingly released an object with full permissions ( and the "Resell/Give away" permission box checked) and no other liscense stipulations then he has no grounds for complaining if someone decides to sell those objects. It has happened to me, I chalked it up to experience, and was more careful in the future to make sure the permissions I granted were what I intended.

Nevertheless, the actual instances of copybotting and theft have become so rampant in SL, it is generally best for anyone who cares about their reputation to avoid selling anything that they do not clearly have the right to sell.

In the early days of SL it was common for people to give away full permission freebies. There is nothing explicitly illegal with selling those freebies, but it is frowned upon by many people in SL and will probably not help your reputation any to become known as a "freebie reseller".

Permissions on the medium do not necessarilly correspond to permissions on the content.

In absence of a license or some feedback from the creator you should assume that you don't have permission even though you might technically be able to just do it.

(On the flip side a license might try to restrict you in a way that's contrary to your rights as the owner in which case that part of the license simply isn't valid)

Legally, if something is protected by copyrights, you must get explicit permission to make copies or derived works. The technicalities of the copy protection (or lack thereof) don't automatically imply permission. After all, the typical music CD is sold with full copy perms, but you don't have the right to make and sell copies of it.

One could argue that within SL, deliberately selling something as full perms (as opposed to accidentally selling it full perm), at least for some classes of items, constitutes such permission because it's the standard practice. And that might even fly. But if you really care about copy protection, it's not a path I'd suggest.

The usual IANAL applies.

exactly.

it's not so much CAN u re-sell some one else's hard work, but SHOULD u. but as i stated before, if he's modding it an usin it in his own build than i don't see a huge prob.

but tha truth is, with tha facts that Lex has posted... tha creator being 'null' and the means in which he obtained it, its obvious this is prlly a copy botted object. it's very easy to rip objects an put tha creator as 'null'. another way to check if its botted, Lex, is to look at the creation times in 'inspect'. see when it was created an how fast. if tha entire object was created in like 1 second, it could be botted. now, that doesn't mean it WAS, cuz when i build, i sometimes use the same prim, an just keep duplicating it which would make it all the same prim, so it would have the same creation time.

but more complicated builds are not usually done that way.

It's also possible SL had a "perms hiccup". Lex, if the creator says you shouldn't resell it. Don't resell it.

If you can manage to remember where you got it, you might report the location to the creator. It's a mess going back through log files, but since you undoubtably know the name of the item, if you keep logs, you can search it for the name and find the line where you were given it. The location of the vender giving it will be on the same line.

If its full perms made of prims its probably a freebie so don't resell it.
Even selling a retextured freebie will get you labelled as a "freebie reseller" which is suicide for a merchant who wants a good reputation.

If its not a freebie it should have a notecard with it telling you what you can do with it.

If its a texture, don't resell it, but you can usually use it on your product that you sell.

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