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"Allow deed to group"?

Wezza Writer
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06-23-2009 00:12
What does it actually do? And what kind of permission is granted to the group members?

If I'm in the group and I want to change the Media URL. Would that be possible if the owner set allow deed to group? Or there is more setting to be done?

What about creating plants on a group-owned land or editing the land terrain?
Viktoria Dovgal
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06-23-2009 00:27
From: Wezza Writer
What does it actually do? And what kind of permission is granted to the group members?

If you edit an object and look at the general tab, you'll see that you can set the object as "share with group". Beside that is a button that can the deed the object. If you press the deed button, the group actually becomes the owner of that object. The permission enables that button.
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If I'm in the group and I want to change the Media URL. Would that be possible if the owner set allow deed to group? Or there is more setting to be done?

That would allow it, indirectly. If you had a TV or radio with a script in it that can change the stream, deeding it would allow the script do the job.
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What about creating plants on a group-owned land or editing the land terrain?

The creating plants thing is specifically about the Linden system trees, plants and grass. The main reason why they can be nice is that they only count as one prim. I've never really understood why they need special permission above and beyond regular rezzing, you can cause a lot more trouble with a prim object.

Permission for terrain editing can be a little dangerous to hand out, because if someone terraforms a piece of land high enough to cover existing prims, those can be uprooted and returned (and potentially lost if deeded). If can also be a royal pain to get the land back into the intended shape if someone messes with it.
Wezza Writer
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06-24-2009 01:39
Thanks Viktoria,

I have asked the owner of the estate to enable "Allow deed to group", he claims it's done. But when I check the "About Land..." property, the option is showed as uncheck. However, I seem to be able to share an object to the group and deed it. Also, when I check the property of the object, the "Share with group" is also unchecked!! Is this a bug in SL? And when I want to read the script from a group object, access is denied, very inconvenient!

I have been trying to get Linden's Media Player to work, I shared it with the group plus deed too. But all the llSay message does not show up anymore!!

What can an "officer" in a group do?
Qie Niangao
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06-24-2009 04:40
There may be some confusion here between deeding *land* to a group (the permission shown on "About Land" as "Allow deed to group";) and deeding *objects* to a group.

For any Group to which one belongs, looking at Group Information / Members & Roles will show what Abilities are associated with any Role (such as Officer). A Group Owner can redefine which Roles have which Abilities. The land-deeding ability is under "Parcel Management" as "Deed land and buy land for group." Object-deeding is controlled by "Object Management" / "Deed objects to group."

Since we're talking about a Media Player here, it's the latter of these that matter.

A full perm object deeded to group can have its *contents* shared with group, so they can be edited. Right-click on one of the scripts inside the object, choose Properties, and enable "Share with group."

I don't know what llSay() is used by with this object. I did look at the script for the "play" button (green triangle), and it will only work as written if the object is owned by the person who touches it--which is impossible for group-owned land. In this particular case, it's the "if(llDetectedKey(0) == llGetOwner())" logic in the touch_start() handler. I didn't investigate what other scripts may need to be changed to get it to work if group-deeded (but I suspect they're all this way, too).
Wezza Writer
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06-25-2009 02:30
thank you Qie Niangao,

actually I have added some llSay in the script so I can follow through what's going on. This Object from Linden is really old, cause I got it few years back. So I just want to know if it actually works? I've commented out all the owner check in every scripts, and deeded the player to the group. It still won't run, but at least the llSay messages are back.

I had deeded the object to group for the llParcelMediaCommandList. How do I get enough permission to view/modify the script?

Any better example on creating a media player?
Qie Niangao
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06-25-2009 02:36
From: Wezza Writer
I had deeded the object to group for the llParcelMediaCommandList. How do I get enough permission to view/modify the script?
Did you try the thing I mentioned about right-clicking on the script inside the prim's contents, choosing Properties, and then clicking "Share with group" in the script properties? That worked for me, with this object.
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Any better example on creating a media player?
I started with something called "Freeview" or something like that... ah, here's a more recent version (hopefully still full perm so you can play with the scripts) : https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1393573. If I recall correctly, this thing has a "remote control" to deal with group-deeding, but I can't remember how that was set up anymore, it's been so long since I played with it.
Benski Trenkins
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06-25-2009 06:25
If you mean deed land to group is not possible, the estate owner has to allow land resell to do so.

"Deed to group" both land and objects, makes the group itself the owner. Therefore:

* Objects: Can only be done with transferable objects. Next owner permissions will apply.

* Land: you are effectively selling the land to the group, so reselling of the land must be allowed. (Estate setting that, besides the Estate owner, can also be changed by Estate managers.)
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Ciaran Laval
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06-25-2009 06:41
If the land isn't group owned you wouldn't need to deed an object to a group. Who is the actual owner of the land?
Wezza Writer
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06-26-2009 04:28
From: Qie Niangao
Did you try the thing I mentioned about right-clicking on the script inside the prim's contents, choosing Properties, and then clicking "Share with group" in the script properties? That worked for me, with this object.
I started with something called "Freeview" or something like that... ah, here's a more recent version (hopefully still full perm so you can play with the scripts) : https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1393573. If I recall correctly, this thing has a "remote control" to deal with group-deeding, but I can't remember how that was set up anymore, it's been so long since I played with it.


thanks Qie Niangao, missed the right-click part. Cause I was thinking when I share an object with group, all the stuffs "inside" should inherit the same properties.

How many parcels can a land has?
Benski Trenkins
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06-26-2009 04:38
From: Wezza Writer
thanks Qie Niangao, missed the right-click part. Cause I was thinking when I share an object with group, all the stuffs "inside" should inherit the same properties.

How many parcels can a land has?


Smallest parcel you can create is 16sqm. (4*4 meters)

So one sim can hold 65536/16 = 4096 parcels.
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