Who can use what on rented land

Me and a friend are renting some land for our home. The land managment is done via a group that only the two of us are members of. We have some trouble with pose balls and pose ball generating furniture (Deviant, SexGen, etc). I will give an example: I set down a sexgen bed. It works fine but when I leave the parcel, it stops working. The menu comes up when my friend clicks it but no pose balls are generated. Also, standalone pose balls dont work. Once someone sits on them in my absence, the animation wont kick in. If we are both there, and invite a third person to join in, that person can not use pose balls generated by furniture such as Deviant. The person gets thrown off. But if said person is invited to join the group and then uses it with the group active, it works all of a sudden. (wich is very inconvenient).

What we want is basically that everyone can use the items and pose balls, no matter if the owner (my friend and me) are present or not. I am guessing it should work like pose balls and items that are set up in public areas but looking at those didn't help me much.

Can anyone shed some light on this ? Help is greatly apprechiated.

This is extraordinarily odd.

I managed to scare up a Deviant thing and found that, if double-clicked, it brings up an administrative menu from which you can select "Public" or "Private" (depending on its current setting). If "Public" appears as an option, selecting that and seeing what happens might be informative.

The sad little SexGen thing I found also had a double-click menu, but with nothing that looked relevant therein.

But, from a scripting standpoint, there are very few functions that depend on the parcel owner (or somebody with appropriate permissions in a parcel ownership group) to be in the same sim, and it would be just silly for those to be used in a poseball. (I can just barely imagine a use for one of these functions in dynamic-poseball-rezzing scripts: using llGetParcelPrimCount() to see if the parcel can allow rezzing poseball prims. But I don't think that's likely to be what's going on.)

But standard, statically rezzed poseballs, too? Short of a housecall, I'm stumped.

I can't ever remember having sexgen problems on rented land. Did you deed the sexgen to the group?

On my rented land, I must have my group tag active to rez anything. Is it possible that the poseballs won't rez because there is no one with an active group tag present? I think the land owner can set scripts to work the same way.

I'm no expert, just a thought.

That's a good point: if the land is set to allow only Group to build, then objects that rez stuff (like dynamic poseballs) should also be set to the same group as the land (even if auto-return isn't on, which is the usual reason for stuff to be set to group). Definitely *not* "deeded" to group, though!

But none of this explains the whole mysterious bit where it works when one member is there, and especially not the unwillingness to animate somebody who's not a member of the group, for normal poseballs. (It's certainly possible for a poseball to check if llSameGroup(), which would require folks to wear the tag--and I suspect that's what the Deviant thing does in "Private" mode--but regular poseballs?)

Beds and other scripted items may have their own permissions systems.

It has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LAND.

Typically these permissions are Owner, Group, and All (anyone). It should be pretty self-explanatory what those mean. Some devices might have an access list. Beds typically do not need to be deeded to group. The permissions of the bed (ball users, or menu users, or both) either need to be set to all, or to group, for someone other than the owner to operate the bed. That means that the bed's users need to be part of the group that the bed is set to if the group permission is enabled. If set to all, then anyone can use the bed.

The downside of all is the people who like to "explore" and have sex in your house. If you use the all setting and don't want people using your stuff, get a security system (HippoTech is highly recommended).

First of all, thanks a lot for all your replies.

The items are set to a different group than lhe group that "owns" the land (wich is our private "land managment group" that only the two of us are part of). It is however NOT deeded to any group, just set to it. The land is set to allow group and residents to build on it.

The problem is still the same: Once my friend leaves, i can't operate the items, no matter if i have my land group active or the group that the items are set to.

Now, here's a real kicker that I found out only now: The house itself, wich has working doors and privacy script stuff, is accidently set to a totally different group (a shopping update group) and they work all the time, no matter if my friend (the houses owner) is there or not ! Weird, huh ?

Ask your friend to check the permissions of the bed. It sounds like the bed has owner only permissions. I reiterate that your problem has nothing to do with the land. If it had anything to do with the land, the bed would not function as it is not set to the same group.

Ask your friend to check the permissions of the bed. It sounds like the bed has owner only permissions. I reiterate that your problem has nothing to do with the land. If it had anything to do with the land, the bed would not function as it is not set to the same group as the land.

The bed didn't have any permissions settings menu. We set it to the land owner group and now it works, wether she is there or not. The Deviant itmes still don't though. We're investigating further.

Typically, under Options there is "ball users" and "menu users" and these are set to owner, all or group.

If you can, try another bed or similar item to see if the item in question isn't working right itself.