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What VAT rate is on your tier? (*Not* yet another VAT rant thread)

Sling Trebuchet
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09-30-2007 04:03
Yes. We are wall-to-wall with VAT threads, so maybe it would be a good idea to keep this one strictly on topic. :)


LL have two basic options in processing VAT for EU
A) Register for the scheme and charge VAT to customers at the rate appropriate in for the EU country in which the customer resides.
B) Establish a branch or subsidiary in a EU state 'from which to supply their online services' and charge VAT to EU customers at the rate applicable in that EU state - and not at the rate applicable in the customer state.

(A) has subflavours, but the effect on VAT rates charged is the same
(B) works as for an EU-established business.


When I checked MY Account, the VAT-inclusive tier amount indicated a VAT rate of 17.5%. This is the UK VAT rate, and not the 21% rate applicable in my State. LL already had true details of my location.
This implies that either
1) LL are using option (B) above, or
2) LL are using option (A) above and screwed up the calculation for my VAT-inclusive tier.


SO: The question is this:

What implied rate of VAT are other non-UK people *actually* seeing in their "My Account"?
-- Their national rate (A) or the UK rate 17.5% (B)?





As an aside:

If LL are using option (B) and the place of supply for VAT purposes is the UK, then it should imply that UK businesses should be charged VAT regardless of being VAT-registered. They would reclaim VAT under normal procedures.
I suggest that any discussion of this UK-specific aspect belongs in its own thread.
Tiziana Catteneo
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09-30-2007 04:13
national rate in italy +20%
Jessica Elytis
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09-30-2007 04:18
I really would hate to be on LL's legal staff. Trying to sort out "law" over a worldwide virtual world that spans 200 countries has to be a monumental pain in the arse.

LL is forging new ground every day. Does this law apply? Does this law apply to the member due to their location? Does this law apply to LL due to the member's lcoation? Does this law apply to LL due to the member's location? Does this law apply to LL due to the location of their bank, or the location of their HQ?

As to the OP's question; can't tell ya. I don't pay tier due to Group Contributions.

Being a US Citizen, all I can say is I hope LL keeps the taxes for all as low as they can, and still stay legal.

~Jessy
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Alyx Sands
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09-30-2007 06:35
Normal German rate of 19%. I wasn't bothered too much when the government changed it a while ago from 17.5 to 19 because it IS usually already included in prices. It DOES bother me however as LL just puts it on top.
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Walker Moore
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09-30-2007 06:40
17.5% but I'm in the UK so that's what I expected.
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Denise Bonetto
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09-30-2007 06:43
17.5% and I am in the UK so the correct VAT percentage.
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Sling Trebuchet
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09-30-2007 06:44
Ok Tks!

Even one non-UK at a rate other than the UK rate would be enough to check.
We have 2, so it looks like LL simply got the wrong calculation for me.

They would appear to be on Option (A), charging appropriate rates per country, and not using Brighton as a base from which to provide chargeable services.
Chas Connolly
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09-30-2007 07:27
Well, I'm in the UK but paying 19% because I joined when I was living in the Netherlands. Bugger!
Walker Moore
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09-30-2007 07:33
Thank the gods you weren't living in Sweden. :D

Still, I'd contact billing about that and get the addressed changed.
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