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Couldbe Yue

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10-01-2009 06:09

I have no idea how to word the title but I found this hidden in a blog thread and thought you all might like to see it. I'm still not too sure why it wasn't possible to have the design etc stable before release but meh. It appears it's the software's fault rather than it being ours for asking for it - so that's a step in the right direction I suppose.

This is from Blue
https://blogs.secondlife.com/thread/2914?tstart=0

From: someone

We're sorry for any confusion regarding the SL Answers format.

If you're not aware, SL Answers is currently in Beta, and Lexie has been working to get the necessary tools in place, helping with moderation etc. I've been taking care of the blog comments/discussions in general, and Patsy is helping with XStreet SL forum moves to the Commerce forum here on Clearspace. Coming soon....moderation team that handles all the various sections, whew!

It's not currently possible to set a section to automatically default to Question or Discussion (terminology specific to the Clearspace format) but that will be changing when we apply the next update. This will aleviate a good deal of confusion and I would agree that due to elements like this, the transition to our new system has its challenges. I will be absolutely open-hearted with you and say that I would MUCH rather have had the new blogs/forums spring forth fully formed, like Athena from the head of Zeus. But unfortunately this is simply not possible. As such, I thank you for your patience during the ongoing transition.

Regarding threads being moved -- A Discussion, (Clearspace's terminology for "forum thread"

created in SL Answers may be moved so that people looking for Answers don't have to sort through threaded Discussions to find them. Similarly, a post in one of the Discussion channels that is marked as a question may be moved to the SL Answers Channel to help people looking for them. As to the nature of moderation for SL Answers, questions added in the general thread that fit under a specific category may be moved to help folks find the topic-specific answers provided more easily. No posts are moved to "bury them"....honest. You can see plenty of critique of the Lab happening in plain sight. There is no big conspiracy.

As for the people's decision to use these tools to criticize the Lab's decisions, policies or priorities, that's legitimate. You can frequently hear me tell you to hold LL's feet to the fire. We all benefit from this. We do require, however, that you remain respectful. Creating a hostile environment discourages your fellow residents from speaking up. The Lab truly does want to hear from you, but if you are not able to phrase your criticism respectful, please contact me (your pal, [email]blue@lindenlab.com[/email]) directly rather than making a vitriolic post to a public channel. You will not be allowed to troll, flame, or make personal attacks. Doing so may result in your violating the Guidelines and being subject to disciplinary action.

Once again, I sincerely thank you for your respectful participation here, and hope you can bear with us while these new tools are under construction.

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Raudf Fox

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10-01-2009 06:14

And with LL, beta means that it will be that way for a couple of years. I think they're hoping we'll forget that it was supposed to "improve" so they don't have to do any work.

Can anyone list anything about it that has actually improved in functionality?

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Viktoria Dovgal

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10-01-2009 06:23

From: Couldbe Yue

I'm still not too sure why it wasn't possible to have the design etc stable before release but meh.

My guess is that some security issue was found with the old system, and the old forums had to go. Even terminal placements were restarted, the big rush to bridge the SL and Xstreet balances had the brakes slammed.

Lance Corrimal

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10-01-2009 06:24

From: Raudf Fox

Can anyone list anything about it that has actually improved in functionality?

it makes your experience more predictable... "Darn. my webbrowser crashed."

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Lindal Kidd

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10-01-2009 06:55

From: Raudf Fox

And with LL, beta means that it will be that way for a couple of years. I think they're hoping we'll forget that it was supposed to "improve" so they don't have to do any work.

Can anyone list anything about it that has actually improved in functionality?

They have made a number of improvements and fixes. The only one I can point to right off is turning on the ability to add a forum avatar picture, but there were quite a few others.

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10-01-2009 06:59

From: Lance Corrimal

it makes your experience more predictable... "Darn. my webbrowser crashed."

Wouldn't expect anything else from the same company that made a client that spends as much time crashing their crash logger as they do the client.

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Seven Okelli

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10-01-2009 07:03

I find it difficult to relate to SL Answer's "beta" status. It seems a convenient way of avoiding some deserved criticism. If it was called an "alpha" it would be hard to complain, but one expects a beta release to have more complete functionality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle#Beta

Unfortunately, it gives the impression that LL doesn't know where the product is going or what it's supposed to do, UNLESS what we see is pretty much what they intend it to be.

What I mean is, if their "more to come" is something substantially different, then what we're seeing isn't an beta.

Honestly, it seems to have been designed by ppl who have never used such a system or have any practical idea of its purpose. The elements that are missing aren't DETAILS, they're fundamental elements, and what *is* there just doesn't cut the mustard.

So... things will be added, tweaked, but the basic faulty foundation has been laid.

Rene Erlanger

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10-01-2009 07:06

Lindens always say "The Lab truly does want to hear from you,.."....what is the point if they rarely act upon what majority of it's residents want. Remember the Zindra threads...over 12000 posts a lot were constructive and valid comments.....all were trashed as LL had made up there mind well in advance of announcing Adult Content changes.

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Brenda Connolly

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10-01-2009 07:08

Poor Blue. I still think all in all, HE wants to try and do the right thing for everyone, but is stuck with idiots for bosses. Reminds me of when I worked in Publc School.

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Mickey Vandeverre

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10-01-2009 07:15

I've been enjoying Blue's lolcatz postings very much.

I get so busy here, that I don't have time to go over and browse the lolcatz site as much any more. Very nice touch.

Brenda Connolly

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10-01-2009 07:21

From: Mickey Vandeverre

I've been enjoying Blue's lolcatz postings very much.

I get so busy here, that I don't have time to go over and browse the lolcatz site as much any more. Very nice touch.

Oh, there are lolcats there?

Then I'm definitely not going.

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10-01-2009 07:28

From: Brenda Connolly

Oh, there are lolcats there?

Then I'm definitely not going.

Oh, come on! They are cute as can be, and take the edge off. Great way to end a locked thread. It should be a requirement for all endings of locked threads.

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10-01-2009 07:30

From: Mickey Vandeverre

Oh, come on! They are cute as can be, and take the edge off. Great way to end a locked thread. It should be a requirement for all endings of locked threads.

No. Those things annoy me no end. I am not a cat person.

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Seven Okelli

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10-01-2009 07:46

From: Brenda Connolly

No. Those things annoy me no end. I am not a cat person.

there must be a loldog site somewhere...

/me googles...

Mickey Vandeverre

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10-01-2009 07:48

From: Seven Okelli

there must be a loldog site somewhere...

/me googles...

They have dogz on that site, too....don't they? and don't they have Trekkieeez?

Meade Paravane

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10-01-2009 08:06

From: Brenda Connolly

Poor Blue. I still think all in all, HE wants to try and do the right thing for everyone, but is stuck with idiots for bosses..

/me is really tempted to agree but his call (as quoted in the OP) for us to show respect for LL does nothing but anger me. That's a two-way street and from my point of view, LL really doesn't have much respect for residents - it feels more like contempt and has for a while.

Who's paying who here?

edit: and I do like Blue. He does indeed seem to be one of the good guys but I think he's gotten really out-of-touch.

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Raudf Fox

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10-01-2009 08:07

http://ihasahotdog.com/

For those who are less cat inclined.

Personally, not even an LoLcat can make up for the mess over there.

I refuse to call it a forum. It's a blog.. and not even one in a forum's clothing. What irks me most is that it's following LL's recent attitude of, "Lets slap it up there, call it a beta, make two tiny changes and call it done in a year." Great, you can add avatar picts, so you can tell who's posting. Wooohoooo... Doesn't help with the threading/layout issues that it has.

Also, I prefer the term flog. It's what I feel like doing to the one who thought it would be, "such a great idea," to use it in place of a proper forum. Sadly, because of this decision, I must assume said Linden must love being flogged...

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DanielRavenNest Noe

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10-01-2009 08:14

The problem is they are trying to reinvent the wheel in too many places. Theres perfectly good blogs, and forums, and search, made by people who are much better at it than Linden Lab.

They really need to focus on the one thing they do better than anyone else. I think that Adam Smith pointed that out around 200 years ago - division of labor.

Meade Paravane

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10-01-2009 08:20

From: DanielRavenNest Noe

The problem is they are trying to reinvent the wheel in too many places...

And in the case of the new 'forums,' it's less round than the old wheel.

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Kitty Barnett

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10-01-2009 11:27

From: Rene Erlanger

Lindens always say "The Lab truly does want to hear from you,.."....what is the point if they rarely act upon what majority of it's residents want.

But they do want to hear what residents think and they always act on resident feedback

.

LL: "We're doing this and that..."

Residents A-G: various criticism
Resident H: "There's a typo in ..."
Residents I-Q: more criticsm
Resident R: "I want it in red"
Residents S-Z: pitchforks and torches

LL fixes typo.

LL: We've carefully read all of your feedback and we've already made some changes based on it. Expect us to address the other concerns very soon!

10 months later red is added as an option (which turns everything green instead but that's alright when you're working on "cutting edge" stuff).

*Resolved*

Indeterminate Schism

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10-02-2009 04:32

Wooo Kitty - that's the funniest/truest thing I've heard in ages. Thank you.

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10-02-2009 05:29

From: Viktoria Dovgal

Even terminal placements were restarted

REALLY? God I so want one who do I talk to, where do I go? I can't find the "in order to get a terminal your land must have THESE settings" page anymore.. so I don't even know how workable this would be.. but given my shop's reliance on XStreet for our "Buy as gift" functionality, having a terminal IN the shop would be a bonus.

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Seven Okelli

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10-02-2009 05:44

From: Viktoria Dovgal

My guess is that some security issue was found with the old system, and the old forums had to go. Even terminal placements were restarted, the big rush to bridge the SL and Xstreet balances had the brakes slammed.

Interesting. Somehow I missed this post until Winter commented on it.

Why the new blog is so "beta"
Couldbe Yue one unhappy customer Join date: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,532	10-01-2009 06:09 I have no idea how to word the title but I found this hidden in a blog thread and thought you all might like to see it. I'm still not too sure why it wasn't possible to have the design etc stable before release but meh. It appears it's the software's fault rather than it being ours for asking for it - so that's a step in the right direction I suppose. This is from Blue https://blogs.secondlife.com/thread/2914?tstart=0 From: someone We're sorry for any confusion regarding the SL Answers format. If you're not aware, SL Answers is currently in Beta, and Lexie has been working to get the necessary tools in place, helping with moderation etc. I've been taking care of the blog comments/discussions in general, and Patsy is helping with XStreet SL forum moves to the Commerce forum here on Clearspace. Coming soon....moderation team that handles all the various sections, whew! It's not currently possible to set a section to automatically default to Question or Discussion (terminology specific to the Clearspace format) but that will be changing when we apply the next update. This will aleviate a good deal of confusion and I would agree that due to elements like this, the transition to our new system has its challenges. I will be absolutely open-hearted with you and say that I would MUCH rather have had the new blogs/forums spring forth fully formed, like Athena from the head of Zeus. But unfortunately this is simply not possible. As such, I thank you for your patience during the ongoing transition. Regarding threads being moved -- A Discussion, (Clearspace's terminology for "forum thread" created in SL Answers may be moved so that people looking for Answers don't have to sort through threaded Discussions to find them. Similarly, a post in one of the Discussion channels that is marked as a question may be moved to the SL Answers Channel to help people looking for them. As to the nature of moderation for SL Answers, questions added in the general thread that fit under a specific category may be moved to help folks find the topic-specific answers provided more easily. No posts are moved to "bury them"....honest. You can see plenty of critique of the Lab happening in plain sight. There is no big conspiracy. As for the people's decision to use these tools to criticize the Lab's decisions, policies or priorities, that's legitimate. You can frequently hear me tell you to hold LL's feet to the fire. We all benefit from this. We do require, however, that you remain respectful. Creating a hostile environment discourages your fellow residents from speaking up. The Lab truly does want to hear from you, but if you are not able to phrase your criticism respectful, please contact me (your pal, [email]blue@lindenlab.com[/email]) directly rather than making a vitriolic post to a public channel. You will not be allowed to troll, flame, or make personal attacks. Doing so may result in your violating the Guidelines and being subject to disciplinary action. Once again, I sincerely thank you for your respectful participation here, and hope you can bear with us while these new tools are under construction. _____________________ Satiated Desires: Toys for Grown Ups. Inworld: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Norf%20Haven/186/132/55 XSL: https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&MerchantID=77743&&sort=age&dir=asc Blog: http://satiateddesires.wordpress.com/
Raudf Fox (ra-ow-th) Join date: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 5,119	10-01-2009 06:14 And with LL, beta means that it will be that way for a couple of years. I think they're hoping we'll forget that it was supposed to "improve" so they don't have to do any work. Can anyone list anything about it that has actually improved in functionality? _____________________ DiamonX Studios, the place of the Victorian Times series of gowns and dresses - Located at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fushida/224/176 Want more attachment points for your avatar's wearing pleasure? Then please vote for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1065?
Viktoria Dovgal … Join date: 29 Jul 2007 Posts: 3,593	10-01-2009 06:23 From: Couldbe Yue I'm still not too sure why it wasn't possible to have the design etc stable before release but meh. My guess is that some security issue was found with the old system, and the old forums had to go. Even terminal placements were restarted, the big rush to bridge the SL and Xstreet balances had the brakes slammed.
Lance Corrimal I don't do stupid. Join date: 9 Jun 2006 Posts: 877	10-01-2009 06:24 From: Raudf Fox Can anyone list anything about it that has actually improved in functionality? it makes your experience more predictable... "Darn. my webbrowser crashed." _____________________ From: Ralektra Breda Your maturity rating is directly reflected by the number of question marks you place at the end of a question. From: Lindal Kidd Those who enter any virtual world with the main purpose of making money at it...probably won't.
Lindal Kidd Dances With Noobs Join date: 26 Jun 2007 Posts: 8,371	10-01-2009 06:55 From: Raudf Fox And with LL, beta means that it will be that way for a couple of years. I think they're hoping we'll forget that it was supposed to "improve" so they don't have to do any work. Can anyone list anything about it that has actually improved in functionality? They have made a number of improvements and fixes. The only one I can point to right off is turning on the ability to add a forum avatar picture, but there were quite a few others. _____________________ It's still My World and My Imagination! So there. Lindal Kidd
Raudf Fox (ra-ow-th) Join date: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 5,119	10-01-2009 06:59 From: Lance Corrimal it makes your experience more predictable... "Darn. my webbrowser crashed." Wouldn't expect anything else from the same company that made a client that spends as much time crashing their crash logger as they do the client. _____________________ DiamonX Studios, the place of the Victorian Times series of gowns and dresses - Located at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fushida/224/176 Want more attachment points for your avatar's wearing pleasure? Then please vote for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1065?
Seven Okelli last days of pompeii Join date: 4 Dec 2008 Posts: 2,300	10-01-2009 07:03 I find it difficult to relate to SL Answer's "beta" status. It seems a convenient way of avoiding some deserved criticism. If it was called an "alpha" it would be hard to complain, but one expects a beta release to have more complete functionality. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle#Beta Unfortunately, it gives the impression that LL doesn't know where the product is going or what it's supposed to do, UNLESS what we see is pretty much what they intend it to be. What I mean is, if their "more to come" is something substantially different, then what we're seeing isn't an beta. Honestly, it seems to have been designed by ppl who have never used such a system or have any practical idea of its purpose. The elements that are missing aren't DETAILS, they're fundamental elements, and what is there just doesn't cut the mustard. So... things will be added, tweaked, but the basic faulty foundation has been laid.
Rene Erlanger Scuderia Shapes & Skins G Join date: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2,008	10-01-2009 07:06 Lindens always say "The Lab truly does want to hear from you,.."....what is the point if they rarely act upon what majority of it's residents want. Remember the Zindra threads...over 12000 posts a lot were constructive and valid comments.....all were trashed as LL had made up there mind well in advance of announcing Adult Content changes. . _____________________ Scuderia Group Plush Enigma Shops: https://slurl.com/secondlife/Plush%20Enigma/50/63/22/ Plush Giga Shops: https://slurl.com/secondlife/Plush%20Giga/202/82/22/
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	10-01-2009 07:08 Poor Blue. I still think all in all, HE wants to try and do the right thing for everyone, but is stuck with idiots for bosses. Reminds me of when I worked in Publc School. _____________________ Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen. http://brenda-connolly.blogspot.com
Mickey Vandeverre See you Inworld Join date: 7 Dec 2006 Posts: 2,542	10-01-2009 07:15 I've been enjoying Blue's lolcatz postings very much. I get so busy here, that I don't have time to go over and browse the lolcatz site as much any more. Very nice touch.
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	10-01-2009 07:21 From: Mickey Vandeverre I've been enjoying Blue's lolcatz postings very much. I get so busy here, that I don't have time to go over and browse the lolcatz site as much any more. Very nice touch. Oh, there are lolcats there? Then I'm definitely not going. _____________________ Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen. http://brenda-connolly.blogspot.com
Mickey Vandeverre See you Inworld Join date: 7 Dec 2006 Posts: 2,542	10-01-2009 07:28 From: Brenda Connolly Oh, there are lolcats there? Then I'm definitely not going. Oh, come on! They are cute as can be, and take the edge off. Great way to end a locked thread. It should be a requirement for all endings of locked threads.
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	10-01-2009 07:30 From: Mickey Vandeverre Oh, come on! They are cute as can be, and take the edge off. Great way to end a locked thread. It should be a requirement for all endings of locked threads. No. Those things annoy me no end. I am not a cat person. _____________________ Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen. http://brenda-connolly.blogspot.com
Seven Okelli last days of pompeii Join date: 4 Dec 2008 Posts: 2,300	10-01-2009 07:46 From: Brenda Connolly No. Those things annoy me no end. I am not a cat person. there must be a loldog site somewhere... /me googles...
Mickey Vandeverre See you Inworld Join date: 7 Dec 2006 Posts: 2,542	10-01-2009 07:48 From: Seven Okelli there must be a loldog site somewhere... /me googles... They have dogz on that site, too....don't they? and don't they have Trekkieeez?
Meade Paravane Hedgehog Join date: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 4,845	10-01-2009 08:06 From: Brenda Connolly Poor Blue. I still think all in all, HE wants to try and do the right thing for everyone, but is stuck with idiots for bosses.. /me is really tempted to agree but his call (as quoted in the OP) for us to show respect for LL does nothing but anger me. That's a two-way street and from my point of view, LL really doesn't have much respect for residents - it feels more like contempt and has for a while. Who's paying who here? edit: and I do like Blue. He does indeed seem to be one of the good guys but I think he's gotten really out-of-touch. _____________________ Tired of shouting clubs and lucky chairs? Vote for llParcelSay!!! - Go here: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1224 - If you see "if you were logged in.." on the left, click it and log in - Click the "Vote for it" link on the left
Raudf Fox (ra-ow-th) Join date: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 5,119	10-01-2009 08:07 http://ihasahotdog.com/ For those who are less cat inclined. Personally, not even an LoLcat can make up for the mess over there. I refuse to call it a forum. It's a blog.. and not even one in a forum's clothing. What irks me most is that it's following LL's recent attitude of, "Lets slap it up there, call it a beta, make two tiny changes and call it done in a year." Great, you can add avatar picts, so you can tell who's posting. Wooohoooo... Doesn't help with the threading/layout issues that it has. Also, I prefer the term flog. It's what I feel like doing to the one who thought it would be, "such a great idea," to use it in place of a proper forum. Sadly, because of this decision, I must assume said Linden must love being flogged... _____________________ DiamonX Studios, the place of the Victorian Times series of gowns and dresses - Located at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fushida/224/176 Want more attachment points for your avatar's wearing pleasure? Then please vote for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1065?
DanielRavenNest Noe Registered User Join date: 26 Oct 2006 Posts: 1,076	10-01-2009 08:14 The problem is they are trying to reinvent the wheel in too many places. Theres perfectly good blogs, and forums, and search, made by people who are much better at it than Linden Lab. They really need to focus on the one thing they do better than anyone else. I think that Adam Smith pointed that out around 200 years ago - division of labor.
Meade Paravane Hedgehog Join date: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 4,845	10-01-2009 08:20 From: DanielRavenNest Noe The problem is they are trying to reinvent the wheel in too many places... And in the case of the new 'forums,' it's less round than the old wheel. _____________________ Tired of shouting clubs and lucky chairs? Vote for llParcelSay!!! - Go here: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1224 - If you see "if you were logged in.." on the left, click it and log in - Click the "Vote for it" link on the left
Kitty Barnett Registered User Join date: 10 May 2006 Posts: 5,586	10-01-2009 11:27 From: Rene Erlanger Lindens always say "The Lab truly does want to hear from you,.."....what is the point if they rarely act upon what majority of it's residents want. But they do want to hear what residents think and they always act on resident feedback . LL: "We're doing this and that..." Residents A-G: various criticism Resident H: "There's a typo in ..." Residents I-Q: more criticsm Resident R: "I want it in red" Residents S-Z: pitchforks and torches LL fixes typo. LL: We've carefully read all of your feedback and we've already made some changes based on it. Expect us to address the other concerns very soon! 10 months later red is added as an option (which turns everything green instead but that's alright when you're working on "cutting edge" stuff). Resolved
Indeterminate Schism Registered User Join date: 24 May 2008 Posts: 236	10-02-2009 04:32 Wooo Kitty - that's the funniest/truest thing I've heard in ages. Thank you.
Winter Ventura Eclectic Randomness Join date: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 2,579	10-02-2009 05:29 From: Viktoria Dovgal Even terminal placements were restarted REALLY? God I so want one who do I talk to, where do I go? I can't find the "in order to get a terminal your land must have THESE settings" page anymore.. so I don't even know how workable this would be.. but given my shop's reliance on XStreet for our "Buy as gift" functionality, having a terminal IN the shop would be a bonus. _____________________ ● Inworld Store: http://slurl.eclectic-randomness.com ● Website: http://www.eclectic-randomness.com ● Twitter: @WinterVentura
Seven Okelli last days of pompeii Join date: 4 Dec 2008 Posts: 2,300	10-02-2009 05:44 From: Viktoria Dovgal My guess is that some security issue was found with the old system, and the old forums had to go. Even terminal placements were restarted, the big rush to bridge the SL and Xstreet balances had the brakes slammed. Interesting. Somehow I missed this post until Winter commented on it.

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