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Karl Herber

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07-07-2008 03:59

I've picked up some "freebie" mens skins, full perm, and I have no idea what to make of these. Full perm sets off red flags right away, but this is odd.

The creator is listed as Ronin Darkholme. I can find no references to skins made by him anywhere, except for these freebies. His profile is almost completely blank; no picks or groups or anything to indicate that he might have a store.

My guess then is that somehow the creator name has been changed and these skins are actually made by someone else.

I've attached links to images in case anyone recognises these skins. Anyone got a clue here?

http://freeformen.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/roninskin1.jpg

http://freeformen.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/roninskin2.jpg

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Milla Alexandre

Join date: 22 Jan 2007

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07-07-2008 05:54

Karl.....that looks very much like the full perm freebie men's skin that I have had since I began SL. I had picked it up in a freebies box of goodies as a noob.....and it was called "Photorealistic Steve Skin"..... and if that's the same one. It's been around forever and because it's full perm....well then anyone can make a minute adjustment to it and call it their own and pass it on. *shrug* It doesn't look like the best skin out there anyway so if indeed it's been stolen somewhere down the line.....chances are the creator has since come up with a way better design to sell.

Karl Herber

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07-07-2008 17:16

From: Milla Alexandre

Karl.....that looks very much like the full perm freebie men's skin that I have had since I began SL. I had picked it up in a freebies box of goodies as a noob.....and it was called "Photorealistic Steve Skin"..... and if that's the same one. It's been around forever and because it's full perm....well then anyone can make a minute adjustment to it and call it their own and pass it on. *shrug* It doesn't look like the best skin out there anyway so if indeed it's been stolen somewhere down the line.....chances are the creator has since come up with a way better design to sell.

I have a copy of the Photorealistic Steve skin and compared them closely, and its not the same. Also to mention, this mysterious Ronin skin I have no less than 18 variants, in 3 shades and 6 beard styles. Most freebies I've encountered are in one style only.

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Macphisto Angelus

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07-07-2008 17:18

I think the response you got at SLU is right.. looks like X2.

I have an X2 set and the chest especially is dead ringer.

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Karl Herber

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07-08-2008 02:39

Okay I went to X2 and picked up every demo they have, and none of them looks like any of these Ronin skins. The X2 has much better-defined muscle, particularly on the legs, ass and back which are fairly flat on the Ronin skins. The pattern of shading on shoulderblades and abs is different. The body hair is heavier and darker on the X2, and a different pattern. The facial hair options do not match. The faces are very different, in particular the mouth and eyebrows, giving a completely different look.

I have posted images and made comparisons here:
http://freeformen.wordpress.com/ronin-skins/

The only possibility I can think of, if yours matches, is that maybe X2 did an old skin which is now discontinued?

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Eve Express

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08-01-2008 14:39

Perhaps, but it would still be bad business sense to put out a freebie full perm. A copy and modify, maybe, but a freebie would just loose them money, even on a mediocre skin. Full perm is usually done by mistake.

Macphisto Angelus

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08-01-2008 16:02

This is a link to who was finally determined to have made the skins in question in the OP.

http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/content-creation/13643-stolen-skins.html

Holy crap.. somehow the whole page was loaded below from the blog linked including the offensive picture. Sorry, folks. It was not like that before. I think only people with Srife's greasemonkey code saw it that way though. hehe

removed!

Main idea without the photographic evidence:

From: someone

So, over the last few months I've had a several people ask me about my male skin.. that they got for free from some freebie pack somewhere. Since my skins have been ripped on numerous occasions in the past, I wasn't terribly surprised to hear about this particular free skin. I was somewhat annoyed at first, but that has passed and faded into more of an amusement.
Someone informed me that he found it at {snip}. In fact, I never even bothered to track down this skin, until now! So, I think it's safe to assume I'm not bent out of shape. Part of the reason is that in this case, the skin is still tagged with "Nora", and even suggests visiting "Nora"! Plus, it's free. However, it does state that the creator donated it to the community, when that is not factual. What can I do though? Be upset that I'm getting advertising at a massively busy freebie haven? No, that wouldn't be the right way to handle this. I'm going to continue to be polite to anyone who approaches me about this skin, if at all possible. So, uh thanks whoever stole my skin for the advertisement!

I am mildly irritated about one of the chick skins using one of my very old head textures though. Can't win 'em all, right?

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From: Ann Launay

I put on my robe and wizard ha...
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Karl Herber

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Join date: 23 Jun 2006

Posts: 228

08-01-2008 16:33

I've seen that skin too, (though not under the name Nora, I think it was Malak or something like that) and it's similar but not identical to the ones I've found. The body hair pattern is identical. The eyebrows are identical. The skin tone itself doesn't match, nor do the eyelids and lips. Mine don't have the tattoo.

Nora Skin - http://freeformen.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/noraskin.jpg

Mystery skin - http://freeformen.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/mysteryskin.jpg

Don't forget that most freebie skins are only in single form, there isn't a whole range. With the ones I've picked up, there's 18 different skins in 3 skin tones and 6 beard styles. And none of them have tattoos.

So... they're not the same but they're clearly related somehow.

The mystery deepens.

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Cristalle Karami

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08-01-2008 16:37

Chances are, it's a ripped off Dante skin by Lost Thereian of Naughty Designs. Dante comes in several different tones and facial hair options, and the chest hair looks similar.

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Karl Herber

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08-01-2008 17:32

Naughty was one of the first suggestions made to me, and the first I ruled out. The Nora one is closer; close enough that I've decided to send a copy to the creator for her to take a look at. I called in her store and picked up some demos but none matched exactly, although there's a similarity there.

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Dante Tucker

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08-01-2008 21:42

From: Cristalle Karami

Dante comes in several different tones and facial hair options

No I don't!

Joseph Worthington

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08-01-2008 22:23

From: Dante Tucker

No I don't!

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Skell Dagger

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08-02-2008 03:47

After I saw this post a while back, I went to Naughty Island, as the skins that Karl posted pics of *did* look familiar (I have several Dante skins). On closer inspection, unless they're ripped Dante's that have had more work done on them, they don't look like that particular skin to me.

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Dekka Raymaker

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08-02-2008 03:49

any one with any sense are going to alter stolen skins, before uploading again, so a stolen skin isn't ever going to match the original.

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Karl Herber Registered User Join date: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 228	07-07-2008 03:59 I've picked up some "freebie" mens skins, full perm, and I have no idea what to make of these. Full perm sets off red flags right away, but this is odd. The creator is listed as Ronin Darkholme. I can find no references to skins made by him anywhere, except for these freebies. His profile is almost completely blank; no picks or groups or anything to indicate that he might have a store. My guess then is that somehow the creator name has been changed and these skins are actually made by someone else. I've attached links to images in case anyone recognises these skins. Anyone got a clue here? http://freeformen.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/roninskin1.jpg http://freeformen.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/roninskin2.jpg _____________________ http://karlherber.wordpress.com/
Milla Alexandre Milla Alexandre Join date: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 1,759	07-07-2008 05:54 Karl.....that looks very much like the full perm freebie men's skin that I have had since I began SL. I had picked it up in a freebies box of goodies as a noob.....and it was called "Photorealistic Steve Skin"..... and if that's the same one. It's been around forever and because it's full perm....well then anyone can make a minute adjustment to it and call it their own and pass it on. shrug It doesn't look like the best skin out there anyway so if indeed it's been stolen somewhere down the line.....chances are the creator has since come up with a way better design to sell.
Karl Herber Registered User Join date: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 228	07-07-2008 17:16 From: Milla Alexandre Karl.....that looks very much like the full perm freebie men's skin that I have had since I began SL. I had picked it up in a freebies box of goodies as a noob.....and it was called "Photorealistic Steve Skin"..... and if that's the same one. It's been around forever and because it's full perm....well then anyone can make a minute adjustment to it and call it their own and pass it on. shrug It doesn't look like the best skin out there anyway so if indeed it's been stolen somewhere down the line.....chances are the creator has since come up with a way better design to sell. I have a copy of the Photorealistic Steve skin and compared them closely, and its not the same. Also to mention, this mysterious Ronin skin I have no less than 18 variants, in 3 shades and 6 beard styles. Most freebies I've encountered are in one style only. _____________________ http://karlherber.wordpress.com/
Macphisto Angelus JAFO Join date: 21 Oct 2004 Posts: 5,831	07-07-2008 17:18 I think the response you got at SLU is right.. looks like X2. I have an X2 set and the chest especially is dead ringer. _____________________ From: Natalie P from SLU Second Life: Where being the super important, extra special person you've always been sure you are (at least when you're drunk) can be a reality! From: Ann Launay I put on my robe and wizard ha... Oh. Nevermind then.
Karl Herber Registered User Join date: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 228	07-08-2008 02:39 Okay I went to X2 and picked up every demo they have, and none of them looks like any of these Ronin skins. The X2 has much better-defined muscle, particularly on the legs, ass and back which are fairly flat on the Ronin skins. The pattern of shading on shoulderblades and abs is different. The body hair is heavier and darker on the X2, and a different pattern. The facial hair options do not match. The faces are very different, in particular the mouth and eyebrows, giving a completely different look. I have posted images and made comparisons here: http://freeformen.wordpress.com/ronin-skins/ The only possibility I can think of, if yours matches, is that maybe X2 did an old skin which is now discontinued? _____________________ http://karlherber.wordpress.com/
Eve Express Registered User Join date: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 21	08-01-2008 14:39 Perhaps, but it would still be bad business sense to put out a freebie full perm. A copy and modify, maybe, but a freebie would just loose them money, even on a mediocre skin. Full perm is usually done by mistake.
Macphisto Angelus JAFO Join date: 21 Oct 2004 Posts: 5,831	08-01-2008 16:02 This is a link to who was finally determined to have made the skins in question in the OP. http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/content-creation/13643-stolen-skins.html Holy crap.. somehow the whole page was loaded below from the blog linked including the offensive picture. Sorry, folks. It was not like that before. I think only people with Srife's greasemonkey code saw it that way though. hehe removed! Main idea without the photographic evidence: From: someone So, over the last few months I've had a several people ask me about my male skin.. that they got for free from some freebie pack somewhere. Since my skins have been ripped on numerous occasions in the past, I wasn't terribly surprised to hear about this particular free skin. I was somewhat annoyed at first, but that has passed and faded into more of an amusement. Someone informed me that he found it at {snip}. In fact, I never even bothered to track down this skin, until now! So, I think it's safe to assume I'm not bent out of shape. Part of the reason is that in this case, the skin is still tagged with "Nora", and even suggests visiting "Nora"! Plus, it's free. However, it does state that the creator donated it to the community, when that is not factual. What can I do though? Be upset that I'm getting advertising at a massively busy freebie haven? No, that wouldn't be the right way to handle this. I'm going to continue to be polite to anyone who approaches me about this skin, if at all possible. So, uh thanks whoever stole my skin for the advertisement! I am mildly irritated about one of the chick skins using one of my very old head textures though. Can't win 'em all, right? _____________________ From: Natalie P from SLU Second Life: Where being the super important, extra special person you've always been sure you are (at least when you're drunk) can be a reality! From: Ann Launay I put on my robe and wizard ha... Oh. Nevermind then.
Karl Herber Registered User Join date: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 228	08-01-2008 16:33 I've seen that skin too, (though not under the name Nora, I think it was Malak or something like that) and it's similar but not identical to the ones I've found. The body hair pattern is identical. The eyebrows are identical. The skin tone itself doesn't match, nor do the eyelids and lips. Mine don't have the tattoo. Nora Skin - http://freeformen.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/noraskin.jpg Mystery skin - http://freeformen.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/mysteryskin.jpg Don't forget that most freebie skins are only in single form, there isn't a whole range. With the ones I've picked up, there's 18 different skins in 3 skin tones and 6 beard styles. And none of them have tattoos. So... they're not the same but they're clearly related somehow. The mystery deepens. _____________________ http://karlherber.wordpress.com/
Cristalle Karami Lady of the House Join date: 4 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,222	08-01-2008 16:37 Chances are, it's a ripped off Dante skin by Lost Thereian of Naughty Designs. Dante comes in several different tones and facial hair options, and the chest hair looks similar. _____________________ Affordable & beautiful apartments & homes starting at 150L/wk! Waterfront homes, 575L/wk & 300 prims! House of Cristalle low prim prefabs: secondlife://Cristalle/111/60 http://cristalleproperties.info http://careeningcristalle.blogspot.com - Careening, A SL Sailing Blog
Karl Herber Registered User Join date: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 228	08-01-2008 17:32 Naughty was one of the first suggestions made to me, and the first I ruled out. The Nora one is closer; close enough that I've decided to send a copy to the creator for her to take a look at. I called in her store and picked up some demos but none matched exactly, although there's a similarity there. _____________________ http://karlherber.wordpress.com/
Dante Tucker Purple Join date: 8 Aug 2006 Posts: 806	08-01-2008 21:42 From: Cristalle Karami Dante comes in several different tones and facial hair options No I don't!
Joseph Worthington The Suntan Mega-Man Join date: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 563	08-01-2008 22:23 From: Dante Tucker No I don't! You Do Now!! _____________________ Do what now? Want more control over your Windlight Moon? Vote Here!!
Skell Dagger Smitten Join date: 26 Jun 2007 Posts: 1,885	08-02-2008 03:47 After I saw this post a while back, I went to Naughty Island, as the skins that Karl posted pics of did look familiar (I have several Dante skins). On closer inspection, unless they're ripped Dante's that have had more work done on them, they don't look like that particular skin to me. _____________________ It always ends in chickens... Store blog - http://primflints.wordpress.com/ Inworld - http://slurl.com/secondlife/Jindalrae/21/25/442 XStreet - http://tinyurl.com/primflints Photos - http://www.flickr.com/photos/skelldagger/
Dekka Raymaker thinking very hard Join date: 4 Feb 2007 Posts: 3,898	08-02-2008 03:49 any one with any sense are going to alter stolen skins, before uploading again, so a stolen skin isn't ever going to match the original. _____________________