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Barrowness Beaumont

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01-16-2008 04:30

so here is the selection that I think I am going to go for with my new pc (I have a Nvidia GeForce Graphics card already here waiting in a box - hence there being none in the product spec below) :

Black & Silver ATX Tower Case
INTEL CORE 2 DUO E6750 1333FSB SKT775
ASUS SKT-775 P5K S/L 1333FSB
GEIL 4GB DDR2 800 CL5.0 DUAL CHANNEL BRUSH ALUMINUM RET
Motherboard Integrated 3D Video
500W PSU
500 GB SATA HDD UDMA 300 7200 16MB
SAMSUNG DVD /-RW 20x6x20x8 D/LAYER BLACK LIGHTSCRIBE (SATA)
Floppy Disk Drive 1.44 MB - SILVER
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL 5.1
4 Port Firewire IEEE 1394 PCI Card + FREE CABLE
FAST 10/100 ETHERNET LAN (BROADBAND READY)
10 X USB 2.0 PORTS
Internal Card Reader 50-in-1
THERMALTAKE BLUE ORB II (CL-P0257)
MS WINDOWS VISTA HOME PREMIUM 64-BIT
GENIUS WIRELESS LUXEMATE 600 LASER KEYBOARD AND MOUSE

Would you say that the above will be ok to run sl on (not just for sl but I want to make sure that sl will run on the above!!)

Big thanks in advance - promise I will go hide in my hole again now and leave you all in peace!

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Zumpkin Barbosa

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Join date: 17 Oct 2007

Posts: 33

01-16-2008 04:35

Maybe im blind but I cant find the single most important component when it comes to 3D apps. The GPU.

Barrowness Beaumont

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01-16-2008 04:47

Hi Zumpkin

It's intergrated into the motherboard with this pc

Zumpkin Barbosa

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01-16-2008 04:53

From: Barrowness Beaumont

Hi Zumpkin

It's intergrated into the motherboard with this pc

If you are planning to use the onboard GPU then the anwser would be - no it wont run SL.

http://secondlife.com/corporate/sysreqs.php

Pretty much the only thing you need to list are CPU, RAM, GPU. The rest is obviously important but not really important to SL performance.

Barrowness Beaumont

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01-16-2008 05:32

I can't find GPU's listed separately on the website that builds these pc's ???

SuezanneC Baskerville

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01-16-2008 05:41

The initial post says there is a video card, an nVidia Geforce, waiting for the computer. It doesn't say exactly what model the card is.

The "GPU" would then be the one in the video card.

I don't see the processor clock speed listed.

Is this a package deal at some site?

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Markubis Brentano

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01-16-2008 05:44

From: Barrowness Beaumont

I can't find GPU's listed separately on the website that builds these pc's ???

run away quickly

hehe

I would strongly suggest steering clear of any integrated graphics.

Cherry Czervik

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Join date: 18 Feb 2006

Posts: 3,680

01-16-2008 05:59

What he said - unless of course you buy a tasty card and have that too.

Onboard audio well that's not TOO bad esp onboard 5.1 unless you really are an audio nut. Graphics - well I regret an underpowered GeForce now that I am running Windlight ... I'll be buying a new card asap.

Rest of the spec looks ok - sure you don't want a Quad Core?

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Barrowness Beaumont

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01-16-2008 06:20

From: SuezanneC Baskerville

The initial post says there is a video card, an nVidia Geforce, waiting for the computer. It doesn't say exactly what model the card is.

The "GPU" would then be the one in the video card.

I don't see the processor clock speed listed.

Is this a package deal at some site?

Hi SuezanneC

The card I have is a GeForce 7300 GS 256 MB DDR2, VGA+DVI-I + HDTV-out (64 bit), I know it's a bit older now than the new 8 series but it's brand new and in it's box as it was bought to use in my current pc but unfortuately my current pc doesn't have PCI express so it has laid unused and so I can't justify another one at this moment in time.

Re your question about is this a package deal - no it's website where you build your own pc - but alas I admit I am not an expert when it come to this sort of stuff *blush!

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Barrington John

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01-16-2008 08:07

I know at least two people who run SL just fine with default onboard graphics.

Markubis Brentano

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01-16-2008 08:28

From: SuezanneC Baskerville

The initial post says there is a video card, an nVidia Geforce, waiting for the computer. It doesn't say exactly what model the card is.

The "GPU" would then be the one in the video card.

I don't see the processor clock speed listed.

Is this a package deal at some site?

The initial post says that the board has motherboard integrated 3D video.

Some boards with integrated video do not play well with external graphics cards even though they may be shut off ( which I don't know in this case )

Katie Singh

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Join date: 18 Feb 2007

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01-16-2008 08:43

You really want to upgrade the video card, probably to something like an nvidia 8600GT or a ATI 2600XT. Better if you can afford it. You'd actually be better off buying cheaper motherboard, processor, and less memory and upgrading your video card more.

Without upgrading the video to that level, you will be maxing out your video card and using maybe 20% of your computers power -- it may not be worth upgrading your PC at all. The 7300 or the onboard video will probably give you no better performance than a 3 or 4 year old PC for any sort of gaming.

Zumpkin Barbosa

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01-16-2008 11:05

From: Barrington John

I know at least two people who run SL just fine with default onboard graphics.

Id be very interested in the specifics of this because everyone else is lagging with the newest 8800GT...

Trout Recreant

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01-16-2008 11:25

I just pressed the buy button on Monday, so I feel your pain - I actually had to call someone who I care about very deeply for moral support while I plugged in my CC info and hit the submit button. I'm so cheap.

At any rate, I agree that you should spring for a better card if you can, but if you have that one, it should work. I've seen SL run on an old 6800 with a P4 processor.

Lag isn't a function of just your graphics card, so even with the newest 8800GT, you are still likely to see some instances of lag. Your lag will be prettier. 4 gigs of Ram will help. I don't see the specs on your CPU, but it should be fine. Make sure all your drivers are up to date.

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Zumpkin Barbosa

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01-16-2008 12:21

From: Trout Recreant

I just pressed the buy button on Monday, so I feel your pain - I actually had to call someone who I care about very deeply for moral support while I plugged in my CC info and hit the submit button. I'm so cheap.

At any rate, I agree that you should spring for a better card if you can, but if you have that one, it should work. I've seen SL run on an old 6800 with a P4 processor.

Lag isn't a function of just your graphics card, so even with the newest 8800GT, you are still likely to see some instances of lag. Your lag will be prettier. 4 gigs of Ram will help. I don't see the specs on your CPU, but it should be fine. Make sure all your drivers are up to date.

E6750 is the spec. They started using those codes instead of advertising the 'megahurts' for clarity reasons

Well it actualy makes sense because people might get confused buying a new CPU that is only 2.66 Mhz Duo to replace their old 3Mhz P4.

Anyway yes the game worked on my old P4 2.4Mhz witha a 6600 GT it allso worked on the same comp with a X800 Pro and now it works on a E6750 with a 8800GT. They all worked but for SL its never enough

The performance differences between all these cards are quite dramatic though.

So before I press the 'Buy' button....
Barrowness Beaumont Registered User Join date: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 262	01-16-2008 04:30 so here is the selection that I think I am going to go for with my new pc (I have a Nvidia GeForce Graphics card already here waiting in a box - hence there being none in the product spec below) : Black & Silver ATX Tower Case INTEL CORE 2 DUO E6750 1333FSB SKT775 ASUS SKT-775 P5K S/L 1333FSB GEIL 4GB DDR2 800 CL5.0 DUAL CHANNEL BRUSH ALUMINUM RET Motherboard Integrated 3D Video 500W PSU 500 GB SATA HDD UDMA 300 7200 16MB SAMSUNG DVD /-RW 20x6x20x8 D/LAYER BLACK LIGHTSCRIBE (SATA) Floppy Disk Drive 1.44 MB - SILVER ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL 5.1 4 Port Firewire IEEE 1394 PCI Card + FREE CABLE FAST 10/100 ETHERNET LAN (BROADBAND READY) 10 X USB 2.0 PORTS Internal Card Reader 50-in-1 THERMALTAKE BLUE ORB II (CL-P0257) MS WINDOWS VISTA HOME PREMIUM 64-BIT GENIUS WIRELESS LUXEMATE 600 LASER KEYBOARD AND MOUSE Would you say that the above will be ok to run sl on (not just for sl but I want to make sure that sl will run on the above!!) Big thanks in advance - promise I will go hide in my hole again now and leave you all in peace! BB
Zumpkin Barbosa Registered User Join date: 17 Oct 2007 Posts: 33	01-16-2008 04:35 Maybe im blind but I cant find the single most important component when it comes to 3D apps. The GPU.
Barrowness Beaumont Registered User Join date: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 262	01-16-2008 04:47 Hi Zumpkin It's intergrated into the motherboard with this pc
Zumpkin Barbosa Registered User Join date: 17 Oct 2007 Posts: 33	01-16-2008 04:53 From: Barrowness Beaumont Hi Zumpkin It's intergrated into the motherboard with this pc If you are planning to use the onboard GPU then the anwser would be - no it wont run SL. http://secondlife.com/corporate/sysreqs.php Pretty much the only thing you need to list are CPU, RAM, GPU. The rest is obviously important but not really important to SL performance.
Barrowness Beaumont Registered User Join date: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 262	01-16-2008 05:32 I can't find GPU's listed separately on the website that builds these pc's ???
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	01-16-2008 05:41 The initial post says there is a video card, an nVidia Geforce, waiting for the computer. It doesn't say exactly what model the card is. The "GPU" would then be the one in the video card. I don't see the processor clock speed listed. Is this a package deal at some site? _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Markubis Brentano Hi...YAH!! Join date: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 836	01-16-2008 05:44 From: Barrowness Beaumont I can't find GPU's listed separately on the website that builds these pc's ??? run away quickly hehe I would strongly suggest steering clear of any integrated graphics.
Cherry Czervik Came To Her Senses Join date: 18 Feb 2006 Posts: 3,680	01-16-2008 05:59 What he said - unless of course you buy a tasty card and have that too. Onboard audio well that's not TOO bad esp onboard 5.1 unless you really are an audio nut. Graphics - well I regret an underpowered GeForce now that I am running Windlight ... I'll be buying a new card asap. Rest of the spec looks ok - sure you don't want a Quad Core? /me dreams of expendable income!
Barrowness Beaumont Registered User Join date: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 262	01-16-2008 06:20 From: SuezanneC Baskerville The initial post says there is a video card, an nVidia Geforce, waiting for the computer. It doesn't say exactly what model the card is. The "GPU" would then be the one in the video card. I don't see the processor clock speed listed. Is this a package deal at some site? Hi SuezanneC The card I have is a GeForce 7300 GS 256 MB DDR2, VGA+DVI-I + HDTV-out (64 bit), I know it's a bit older now than the new 8 series but it's brand new and in it's box as it was bought to use in my current pc but unfortuately my current pc doesn't have PCI express so it has laid unused and so I can't justify another one at this moment in time. Re your question about is this a package deal - no it's website where you build your own pc - but alas I admit I am not an expert when it come to this sort of stuff *blush! BB
Barrington John Yorkshire guy Join date: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 119	01-16-2008 08:07 I know at least two people who run SL just fine with default onboard graphics.
Markubis Brentano Hi...YAH!! Join date: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 836	01-16-2008 08:28 From: SuezanneC Baskerville The initial post says there is a video card, an nVidia Geforce, waiting for the computer. It doesn't say exactly what model the card is. The "GPU" would then be the one in the video card. I don't see the processor clock speed listed. Is this a package deal at some site? The initial post says that the board has motherboard integrated 3D video. Some boards with integrated video do not play well with external graphics cards even though they may be shut off ( which I don't know in this case )
Katie Singh SL Kid Join date: 18 Feb 2007 Posts: 81	01-16-2008 08:43 You really want to upgrade the video card, probably to something like an nvidia 8600GT or a ATI 2600XT. Better if you can afford it. You'd actually be better off buying cheaper motherboard, processor, and less memory and upgrading your video card more. Without upgrading the video to that level, you will be maxing out your video card and using maybe 20% of your computers power -- it may not be worth upgrading your PC at all. The 7300 or the onboard video will probably give you no better performance than a 3 or 4 year old PC for any sort of gaming.
Zumpkin Barbosa Registered User Join date: 17 Oct 2007 Posts: 33	01-16-2008 11:05 From: Barrington John I know at least two people who run SL just fine with default onboard graphics. Id be very interested in the specifics of this because everyone else is lagging with the newest 8800GT...
Trout Recreant Public Enemy No. 1 Join date: 24 Jul 2007 Posts: 4,873	01-16-2008 11:25 I just pressed the buy button on Monday, so I feel your pain - I actually had to call someone who I care about very deeply for moral support while I plugged in my CC info and hit the submit button. I'm so cheap. At any rate, I agree that you should spring for a better card if you can, but if you have that one, it should work. I've seen SL run on an old 6800 with a P4 processor. Lag isn't a function of just your graphics card, so even with the newest 8800GT, you are still likely to see some instances of lag. Your lag will be prettier. 4 gigs of Ram will help. I don't see the specs on your CPU, but it should be fine. Make sure all your drivers are up to date. _____________________ From: Jerboa Haystack A Trout Rating (tm) is something to cherish. To flaunt and be proud of. It is something all women should aspire to obtain!
Zumpkin Barbosa Registered User Join date: 17 Oct 2007 Posts: 33	01-16-2008 12:21 From: Trout Recreant I just pressed the buy button on Monday, so I feel your pain - I actually had to call someone who I care about very deeply for moral support while I plugged in my CC info and hit the submit button. I'm so cheap. At any rate, I agree that you should spring for a better card if you can, but if you have that one, it should work. I've seen SL run on an old 6800 with a P4 processor. Lag isn't a function of just your graphics card, so even with the newest 8800GT, you are still likely to see some instances of lag. Your lag will be prettier. 4 gigs of Ram will help. I don't see the specs on your CPU, but it should be fine. Make sure all your drivers are up to date. E6750 is the spec. They started using those codes instead of advertising the 'megahurts' for clarity reasons Well it actualy makes sense because people might get confused buying a new CPU that is only 2.66 Mhz Duo to replace their old 3Mhz P4. Anyway yes the game worked on my old P4 2.4Mhz witha a 6600 GT it allso worked on the same comp with a X800 Pro and now it works on a E6750 with a 8800GT. They all worked but for SL its never enough The performance differences between all these cards are quite dramatic though.

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