Islands vs mainland

Hello to All ^^

Can some explain to me why it is that on an island you cant give renters rights for changing media or adding a tv to someones sky box
yet on main land you can change this as a renter in your home?

So the situation is.. Mr. Smith owns an island he rents to mr jones. Mr jones wants to let a friend live there and allow him to rez a tv.

no matter howmany times mr jones tries to set the media for tv use the tv woulnt work. Is the owner mr smith right in saying that it will interfere with the rest of the island ? or is that hog wash?


here is what I found in the about land:

There is no Covenant provided for this Estate. The land on this estate is being sold by the Estate owner, not Linden Lab. Please contact the Estate Owner for sales details.

Let me know if any of that makes sense...

An object that changes the media url has to be either:
A) deeded to the group on group-owned land (not "set to" but "deeded".
or
B) On land owned by one person, that person has to own it.

The media affects the entire parcel, however small or big it is; if the island is one big parcel it will affect the entire thing. If it's 100 small parcels each parcel can have its own media.

okI see so you have to parcle off the island?
is that possible if your not the actual owner?

No, the estate/island owner or managers can do that, for everyone.
Unless, you're in the rent group, and somehow you have the group rights to create parcels/divide parcel etc... LOL, that would be a good example of doing bad business for mr. smith. letting tenants organise the sim..

Does anyone else share the parcel?

I didn't know that on the mainland you can let renters change media streams on their parcel.

Would someone explain how to do this please, if they have time/inclination. Thanks.

It's a group permission, there's a tick box for it. Have you ever changed permissions for a role before? Usually the first experience of this for a group is when people complain they're being charged financial liabilities and you go in and remove the accounting options.

It's hogwash. Either deliberate or inadvertant because somebody doesn't understand the concept of dividing it up into separate parcels. But hogwash all the same. It's ridiculously easy to set up parcels where people can change the media streams without impacting the rest of the island.

Posters before me answered this adequately. So I just want to say:

Do not rent from this person. They have zero idea what they are doing.
Ask for your money back for the remaining time on the land and leave.

I really think there should be a test before you are allowed to own an estate.

Where plz, and no.

That's a tad harsh without knowing the full setup of the island. Some people do put skyboxes at different heights on the same parcel.

However if the person really wants to watch a television then yes, they should move on.

In the groups info window. Go to the members and roles tab, then the roles tab within that.

You se.lect a role from the list on the top then check off what abilities you want them to have in the part below.

Remember that land related abilities have no affect on land that is set to the group, only on land that is deeded to the group

(lol sel.ect:from error)

Thanks Dante.

Not sure what you are referring to. I didn't say anything about skyboxes. I was referring to the estate owner apparently not knowing how they can safely give these roles to there renters.

I say "apparently" becuase this is just what was stated in the thread.

Click on groups from the pie menu, select the group you want to change permissions for, click info.

Then you have the group information window, click on the "members & roles" tab.

Then below the text you have three tabs "members", "roles" and "Abilities".

Click the "roles" tab.

This gives you a list of roles for your group, click on the role you want to change permissions for, if you haven't used this you're probably using the everyone role.

On the right hand side of the window you will then see a lot of permissions with tick boxes, for allowing media to be changed you'd scroll down until you see "Parcel Settings" in bold and under there there is a permssion "Change music & media settings", tick that box and that role will be able to change music and media settings.

Yes but it was also stated that the owner had said this will interfere with the rest of the island, we don't know how this island owner has set their island up, or why they've chosen to do it that way.

http://insilico.wikidot.com/rentals

There's an example of an island that doesn't allow media streams to be changed and they're definitely guys who seem to know what they're doing, Insilico is an excellent sim.

Oh thank you that's great.

I did use the roles thing once but I could never remember how I fiddled with it and so that doesn't count.

And I haven't really used the permissions one as you can tell...but I might need to sometime soon.

Scripts can get around that problem for TVs by targeting the media to individual agents instead of the entire parcel's setting, so different individuals can be watching different media on the same parcel at the same time--but the scripts nonetheless must be in objects owned by the parcel owner. There's no analogous way to target the parcel audio stream, although audio streams can be used in parcel media instead, achieving much the same result except that one can't watch a video and listen to a different audio source at the same time.

Perhaps the point has already been made: It's actually easier for an Estate owner to provide full parcel control to tenants than it is for Mainland landowners, simply because Estates can make tenants official owners of parcels within the Estate and reclaim them when the lease expires, whereas transferring parcel ownership on the Mainland really is selling the parcel. On the Mainland, one must resort to granting scripted control of parcel settings, or deeding parcels to landowner-controlled groups, one group per rental parcel, and granting membership and appropriate Roles and Abilities to tenants.

Wow thak you all somuch for the suport and answers!! I apreciate all the input!!

I agree with Ciaran, the estate owner could have a legitimate rental model that precludes giving out the role. Even without the skybox issue, an estate owner might decide that the theme of a sim calls for a specific audio stream, and simply not have phrased it well when responding to the request.

Even if it's the case that the estate owner really doesn't understand these things, that's not necessarily a reason to run, particularly if it's a pure rental with no upfront purchase price. Depending on the estate owner's personality, it could be an opportunity for both the estate owner and the original poster to learn more about operating estates.

Few people can learn enough about estate management just by reading in order to be a thoroughly competent manager on day one. The only way they'll become competent is by experience, but they can't get that experience if everyone is advised to stay away (and no existing estate owners will hire them as a manger because they lack experience).

I wouldn't advise sinking a lot of money into such a situation, nor would cooperative learning be for everyone. Running away might be the right response in this particular situation, but it might not. Rather than jumping to one particular conclusion, consider all the possibilities and opportunities.

Here is an opportunity for someone to provide good estate management classes, including up-to-date best practices and maybe make some extra money themselves.

Having said that, Group Land management could do with a widely publicised set of classes of the same ilk.