Need Help !!! and does anyone know why LOL

WOW OK Sl is doing a lot of new stuff making this place Confusing. Today I log on my land lord pick up all my camping chairs telling me SL is making camping illegal. And LL are saying it`s unfair.

I do not agree with this. A lot of people love my stuff but i was undiscovered until i got camping chairs. Now that my traffic is higher my business is doing a lot better.I get people everyday IMing me telling me they love my designs.

Anyone can have camping chair to get traffic. traffic don`t mean sales. It`s the designs and how good the designs are. Traffic just helps you get on the first page so more people can discover your store. and ill ad anyone can buy camping chairs it not like they can`t.

As for Bots i do feel they are unfair and a pain. Everyday i have to kick and ban 3 to 10 camping bots.SL Need to make bots illegal not camping chairs.

Lets face it RL and SL business world will Never be fair. Take the classifieds to get to the first page you have to pay more then what i pay in rent IRL.

My question is Modeling and lucky chairs can we use them ?
What about Dollie Bees ?

This are other way to get traffic. Is SL going to start saying that unFair or can we still use modeling, prize chair etc ?
Anyone know or are ya in the dark like me ?

Jack Linden clarified the policy on bots and camping chairs a couple of days ago in this blog post:

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/land/blog/2009/05/21/further-clarification-on-bots-and-camping

Specifically relevant to your questions is the following from that post:

Can we use models, prize chair ? I may not like what LL are doing but i want to make sure i fallow the rules . so I want to know can i use model prize chairs etc ?

Read the blog comments, not just the post itself. Might want to make a comment yourself, too. All of that is being discussed there. And you won't get a definitive answer from the forums, I'm afraid. You'll only get that from Linden Lab itself (and we all know the Lab's history when it comes to 'definitive answers'...)

Thanks ill do that

Look at it this way: now you won't need to feed the camping chairs to stay on the first page anymore.

In theory.

In practice, of course, you're right: as long as Traffic determines search ranking, people will figure out ways to maximize their scores, without much concern for fairness. So, yeah, I'm pretty sure that a lucky chair or two would still be allowed, and probably other schemes. And unless you use them, you won't rank on Traffic, just as before the policy you had to have camping chairs (and, in most businesses, bots) in order to rank.

I'm really not sure about models. It would seem that if there's more than one of them, and if they happen to share an IP address with another login session somewhere, they could be mistaken for bots. I think you can get away with it for now, but it seems like the kind of thing where too much for too long could end up being a problem.

On the plus side, Traffic only has much effect on Places search, and while people still search Places, a lot are now searching All instead. Also, LL is planning to separate the Traffic number shown on the parcel from the traffic-related metric used for Search rankings, so it will be harder to know whether any particular traffic-manipulating technique is really affecting Search at all. So one might want to consider before investing too much in equipment designed to boost traffic: it may not work well enough for long enough to pay for itself.

I would think anything used to attract bodies, that does NOT directly tie in to the product being sold.....or the theme of the sim......is just fluff to boost traffic. Camping chairs have zero to do with the area they're in......all they do is grab people's attention because people want free money......free money attracts bodies, but does nothing to actually market the product or event ~ It's JUST a hook.

But.....something like lucky chair, at least is giving out product ..... which is a legitimate marketing tool. A lot of the very established, good quality shops I go to, have lucky chairs and I think it's a great idea. They promote the product and give folks a chance to get a free goodie....nothing wrong with that tactic.

Bots.....ugh...can't stand em.....I was at a cool place a couple days ago, wandering around and I checked the map for bodies......I saw a few green dots that I did identify as real avatars......but there was one cluster that I could not find.......I circled and circled the area on the map....looking up.....looking below ground.....and finally noticed a pavillion with a little band. The 'band' were the bots! Sure they looked cute playing their little instruments and they added to the atmosphere, but it still kind of irked me. Bots disguised as props....nifty....but still ..... did they NEED to be bots to have the effect on the scene? No.....they could have been some kind of cool animated gadget or sculpty mannaquins......they could have been any number of things that would have enhanced the scene. But they were bots.....and THAT annoyed me. It's just my reaction..... but, honestly, when I see stuff like that......or camping chairs and camping anything.....I get the funk out and I don't go back.

The reason my reaction is so strong.....is I have been to soooo many really cool places that don't use bots....that rely souly on visitors spreading the word.....beautifully done ads and descriptions in search......and they are empty. Then I brave some poorly laid out shopping area that looks like someone took the builds and cast them like marbles onto the grid and said....ok, that looks good. Camping chairs everwhere....new folks wandering around looking perplexed.....or standing in groups gesturing like jeuveniles.....and I wonder....is this what they think SL is all about? How sad. *shrug*

If your model bot is identified as such to LL and thus not counted as traffic do you still want it?

I think the idea of lucky chairs is a fine one and it does fulfill a cool service but having it tied to traffic as well would just be another form of paying people to be there. If the point of traffic
is to measure the popularity of the place due to the quality of the creations then luring people
to stand around on your sim in hopes of a prize does nothing to help. And is just as misleading as false keywords or traffic bots.

Now if the point of traffic was popularity due to av's present no matter what then that would be different.

I do acknowledge that the lucky chair concept is slightly more credible as it gives an actual reason why an av would be there. Whereas the traffic bots are pure deception.

Maybe there should be different types of traffic counting options such as,

- traffic based on popularity of products

or

- traffic based on popularity for any reason

Traffic based on product popularity might need to be tracked by a count of number of sales.
Which would of course need to exclude the creator and their alts.
Beyond that to game it they would need to get all their friends to buy their stuff. Well at least that way it is closer to real life.

Models (bots and people) are absolutely ok for now. They are not included in the new policy. They will be included later when LL get around to making it so that we can identify them as bots but, for the time being, they are fine. That's according to Jack in the Camping blog.

I recognise this story from the Camping blog

Here's another thing. You said your landlord picked up the camping chairs... now if you're renting land rather than owning it outright, you not only have the TOS to worry about, but also whatever additional covenant and terms your landlord requires. Who may be stricter than Linden Lab's basic TOS. So first you need to check with your landlord what he will permit.