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Dekka Raymaker

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12-12-2008 02:58

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/87856-U-S-Army-To-Begin-Second-Life-Recruitment

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/12/the-armys-new-f.html

"get a real life and die" ?

Dekka Raymaker

thinking very hard

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12-12-2008 03:00

"Tchotchkes will also be given out for recruits to wear."

Ohhh I want that!

PeterPan Price

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12-12-2008 03:04

I hope no one has named their sim Iraq.

Dilbert Dilweg

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12-12-2008 03:40

Maybe Guantanamo Bay is next

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Eli Schlegal

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12-12-2008 04:51

From: Dekka Raymaker

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/87856-U-S-Army-To-Begin-Second-Life-Recruitment

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/12/the-armys-new-f.html

"get a real life and die" ?

How about "get a real life and serve your country"?

Sling Trebuchet

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Join date: 20 Jan 2007

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12-12-2008 05:07

SHOCK! HORROR!!

15-year-old terrorists being trained by US Military in Second Life!!!

"I really joined Second Life for the sex" says 15-year old Ahmed, but when I saw that the US Army was offering "virtual experiences like jumping out of airplanes, and rappelling off of towers and using a weapon" I thought that it would be a good way of getting my own 72 virgins in After Life.

Milla Janick

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12-12-2008 05:41

Can I get one of those helicopters?

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Dekka Raymaker

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12-12-2008 06:32

From: Milla Janick

Can I get one of those helicopters?

we can try a midnight raid and try and steal one!

Milla Alexandre

Join date: 22 Jan 2007

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12-12-2008 07:18

Well...ya know....SL does offer yet another avenue for marketing to anyone who's interested.....including the Army..... On the other hand...I hardly think jumping out of planes in SL....or shooting weapons......is ANYTHING like the real experience so the idea of 'training' seems a little ridiculous. We're not that immersive yet. But...hey...anyone out there ever read "Enders Game" Perhaps we're heading that way.......

(if Habib just stays in SL....he'll get his 70 virgins on one of the plethera of sex sims....hey...perhaps we can END terrorism with SL! Dirka Dirka!)

Cappy Frantisek

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12-12-2008 08:14

From the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
There is some argument about what qualifies as ironic, but all senses of irony revolve around the perceived notion of an incongruity between what is said and what is meant; or between an understanding of reality, or an expectation of a reality, and what actually happens.

So I don't think it's ironic, moronic is more like it!

Pserendipity Daniels

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12-12-2008 09:58

From: Milla Alexandre

Well...ya know....SL does offer yet another avenue for marketing to anyone who's interested.....including the Army..... On the other hand...I hardly think jumping out of planes in SL....or shooting weapons......is ANYTHING like the real experience so the idea of 'training' seems a little ridiculous. We're not that immersive yet. But...hey...anyone out there ever read "Enders Game" Perhaps we're heading that way.......

(if Habib just stays in SL....he'll get his 70 virgins on one of the plethera of sex sims....hey...perhaps we can END terrorism with SL! Dirka Dirka!)

But initially Ender thought it *was* a game.

Pep (Ah! I see where you are going with this . . .)

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Faith Dancer

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12-12-2008 10:14

From: Eli Schlegal

How about "get a real life and serve your country"?

Applauds Eli - and gives Dekka the dis ... not cool.

Dekka Raymaker

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12-12-2008 10:37

From: Faith Dancer

Applauds Eli - and gives Dekka the dis ... not cool.

You know I have nothing against recruits, nor their families and understand that in the society we live in that there is a need for a army, i just wish there wasn't a need for one, or that young people have to go to war and a war that's not necessarily for any reason other than it's political or for dominance and that recruits die, no one should die for a bad reason.

the pun was more about that they're advertising in Second Life to get players off it and into their Real Life army, that's the irony i was talking about.

eku Zhong

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12-12-2008 10:45

From: Sling Trebuchet

S I thought that it would be a good way of getting my own 72 virgins in After Life.

i thought it was 72 raisins.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/Ibnwarraq/what_virgins.htm

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Sling Trebuchet

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12-12-2008 11:55

From: eku Zhong

i thought it was 72 raisins.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/Ibnwarraq/what_virgins.htm

Or maybe 72 old prunes.

Dark-eyed ...............Check!
Virgin.............................Check!
Looks about 100 years old....... Check??

What's that martyr? You have a problem? We said dark-eyed virgins. You got 'em.

Amaranthim Talon

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12-12-2008 13:27

From: Milla Alexandre

Well...ya know....SL does offer yet another avenue for marketing to anyone who's interested.....including the Army..... On the other hand...I hardly think jumping out of planes in SL....or shooting weapons......is ANYTHING like the real experience so the idea of 'training' seems a little ridiculous. We're not that immersive yet. But...hey...anyone out there ever read "Enders Game" Perhaps we're heading that way.......

(if Habib just stays in SL....he'll get his 70 virgins on one of the plethera of sex sims....hey...perhaps we can END terrorism with SL! Dirka Dirka!)

Nothing to contribute to this other than yay! Ender's Game

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12-12-2008 14:51

From: Faith Dancer

Applauds Eli - and gives Dekka the dis ... not cool.

'

Why isn't Dekka's comment cool? I served, and I support his comment completely. Like I said on November 11th, it is the brave young men who die for the schemes of the cowardly old men.

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Sylvia Trilling

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12-12-2008 18:04

Some have already pointed out how much the targeting electronics in planes and tanks are like video games. Thus the targets are not experienced as human. Armies and countries have been painting the enemy as less than human for centuries. It makes perfect sense to me that the army would jump on the opportunity to design the video game themselves.

Yes, it is delicious irony when put next to the fearmongering image of terrorists using sl to recruit or train.

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Maya Remblai

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12-12-2008 19:00

From: someone

"There are about four million young people that routinely interface in Second Life,"

I lold.

From: someone

Beware what you ask for, U.S. Army. Second Life tends to attract users with peculiar tastes.

QFT.

Whenever I see news like this, I feel a terrible urge to go to the sim and cycle through my weirdest avatars, maybe engage in a little roleplay, shoot eggs at stuff, etc.

Is this ironic?
Dekka Raymaker thinking very hard Join date: 4 Feb 2007 Posts: 3,898	12-12-2008 02:58 http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/87856-U-S-Army-To-Begin-Second-Life-Recruitment http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/12/the-armys-new-f.html "get a real life and die" ?
Dekka Raymaker thinking very hard Join date: 4 Feb 2007 Posts: 3,898	12-12-2008 03:00 "Tchotchkes will also be given out for recruits to wear." Ohhh I want that!
PeterPan Price Enthusiastic Amateur Join date: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 178	12-12-2008 03:04 I hope no one has named their sim Iraq.
Dilbert Dilweg Loading.... Join date: 27 Jun 2006 Posts: 500	12-12-2008 03:40 Maybe Guantanamo Bay is next _____________________ Founder of Sweethearts Singles Dating Site http://date.sweetheartsjazz.com Visit our Social network Site http://www.sweetheartsjazz.com To Visit us in World Sweethearts jazz http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sweethearts/197/148/24 Love everyone
Eli Schlegal Registered User Join date: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 2,387	12-12-2008 04:51 From: Dekka Raymaker http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/87856-U-S-Army-To-Begin-Second-Life-Recruitment http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/12/the-armys-new-f.html "get a real life and die" ? How about "get a real life and serve your country"?
Sling Trebuchet Deleted User Join date: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,548	12-12-2008 05:07 SHOCK! HORROR!! 15-year-old terrorists being trained by US Military in Second Life!!! "I really joined Second Life for the sex" says 15-year old Ahmed, but when I saw that the US Army was offering "virtual experiences like jumping out of airplanes, and rappelling off of towers and using a weapon" I thought that it would be a good way of getting my own 72 virgins in After Life.
Milla Janick Empress Of The Universe Join date: 2 Jan 2008 Posts: 3,075	12-12-2008 05:41 Can I get one of those helicopters? _____________________ http://www.avatarsunited.com/avatars/milla-janick All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain...
Dekka Raymaker thinking very hard Join date: 4 Feb 2007 Posts: 3,898	12-12-2008 06:32 From: Milla Janick Can I get one of those helicopters? we can try a midnight raid and try and steal one!
Milla Alexandre Milla Alexandre Join date: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 1,759	12-12-2008 07:18 Well...ya know....SL does offer yet another avenue for marketing to anyone who's interested.....including the Army..... On the other hand...I hardly think jumping out of planes in SL....or shooting weapons......is ANYTHING like the real experience so the idea of 'training' seems a little ridiculous. We're not that immersive yet. But...hey...anyone out there ever read "Enders Game" Perhaps we're heading that way....... (if Habib just stays in SL....he'll get his 70 virgins on one of the plethera of sex sims....hey...perhaps we can END terrorism with SL! Dirka Dirka!)
Cappy Frantisek Open Source is the Devil! Join date: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 400	12-12-2008 08:14 From the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony There is some argument about what qualifies as ironic, but all senses of irony revolve around the perceived notion of an incongruity between what is said and what is meant; or between an understanding of reality, or an expectation of a reality, and what actually happens. So I don't think it's ironic, moronic is more like it!
Pserendipity Daniels Assume sarcasm as default Join date: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 8,839	12-12-2008 09:58 From: Milla Alexandre Well...ya know....SL does offer yet another avenue for marketing to anyone who's interested.....including the Army..... On the other hand...I hardly think jumping out of planes in SL....or shooting weapons......is ANYTHING like the real experience so the idea of 'training' seems a little ridiculous. We're not that immersive yet. But...hey...anyone out there ever read "Enders Game" Perhaps we're heading that way....... (if Habib just stays in SL....he'll get his 70 virgins on one of the plethera of sex sims....hey...perhaps we can END terrorism with SL! Dirka Dirka!) But initially Ender thought it was a game. Pep (Ah! I see where you are going with this . . .) _____________________ Hypocrite lecteur, — mon semblable, — mon frère!
Faith Dancer Registered User Join date: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 38	12-12-2008 10:14 From: Eli Schlegal How about "get a real life and serve your country"? Applauds Eli - and gives Dekka the dis ... not cool.
Dekka Raymaker thinking very hard Join date: 4 Feb 2007 Posts: 3,898	12-12-2008 10:37 From: Faith Dancer Applauds Eli - and gives Dekka the dis ... not cool. You know I have nothing against recruits, nor their families and understand that in the society we live in that there is a need for a army, i just wish there wasn't a need for one, or that young people have to go to war and a war that's not necessarily for any reason other than it's political or for dominance and that recruits die, no one should die for a bad reason. the pun was more about that they're advertising in Second Life to get players off it and into their Real Life army, that's the irony i was talking about.
eku Zhong Apocalips = low prims Join date: 27 May 2008 Posts: 752	12-12-2008 10:45 From: Sling Trebuchet S I thought that it would be a good way of getting my own 72 virgins in After Life. i thought it was 72 raisins. http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/Ibnwarraq/what_virgins.htm _____________________ http://slurl.com/secondlife/Apocalips%20Japan/111/78/24?
Sling Trebuchet Deleted User Join date: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,548	12-12-2008 11:55 From: eku Zhong i thought it was 72 raisins. http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/Ibnwarraq/what_virgins.htm Or maybe 72 old prunes. Dark-eyed ...............Check! Virgin.............................Check! Looks about 100 years old....... Check?? What's that martyr? You have a problem? We said dark-eyed virgins. You got 'em.
Amaranthim Talon Voyager, Seeker, Curious Join date: 14 Nov 2006 Posts: 12,032	12-12-2008 13:27 From: Milla Alexandre Well...ya know....SL does offer yet another avenue for marketing to anyone who's interested.....including the Army..... On the other hand...I hardly think jumping out of planes in SL....or shooting weapons......is ANYTHING like the real experience so the idea of 'training' seems a little ridiculous. We're not that immersive yet. But...hey...anyone out there ever read "Enders Game" Perhaps we're heading that way....... (if Habib just stays in SL....he'll get his 70 virgins on one of the plethera of sex sims....hey...perhaps we can END terrorism with SL! Dirka Dirka!) Nothing to contribute to this other than yay! Ender's Game _____________________ "Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again. " Robert A. Heinlein http://talonfaire.blogspot.com/ Visit Talon Faire Main: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Misto%20Presto/216/21/155- Main Store XStreets: http://tinyurl.com/6r7ayn
Chris Norse Loud Arrogant Redneck Join date: 1 Oct 2006 Posts: 5,735	12-12-2008 14:51 From: Faith Dancer Applauds Eli - and gives Dekka the dis ... not cool. ' Why isn't Dekka's comment cool? I served, and I support his comment completely. Like I said on November 11th, it is the brave young men who die for the schemes of the cowardly old men. _____________________ I'm going to pick a fight William Wallace, Braveheart “Rules are mostly made to be broken and are too often for the lazy to hide behind” Douglas MacArthur FULL
Sylvia Trilling Flying Tribe Join date: 2 Oct 2006 Posts: 1,117	12-12-2008 18:04 Some have already pointed out how much the targeting electronics in planes and tanks are like video games. Thus the targets are not experienced as human. Armies and countries have been painting the enemy as less than human for centuries. It makes perfect sense to me that the army would jump on the opportunity to design the video game themselves. Yes, it is delicious irony when put next to the fearmongering image of terrorists using sl to recruit or train. _____________________ http://www.throughlinedesign.com/
Maya Remblai The one with pink hair. Join date: 25 Mar 2006 Posts: 434	12-12-2008 19:00 From: someone "There are about four million young people that routinely interface in Second Life," I lold. From: someone Beware what you ask for, U.S. Army. Second Life tends to attract users with peculiar tastes. QFT. Whenever I see news like this, I feel a terrible urge to go to the sim and cycle through my weirdest avatars, maybe engage in a little roleplay, shoot eggs at stuff, etc.

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