Are We Bilocating??

Are we bilocating? Because I think I'm finally understanding the meaning (conceptually anyway) of biloaction. (O:

Okay, so, if you get what I am saying and love all that quantum physics, holographic universe
chatter then please, post your thoughts. I'm all ears. And having the time of my life!

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Recommended Reading for the curious:
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"The Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot
"The Divine Matrix" by Gregg Braden

My answer is no, on the whole. I live in Second Life. When my RL agent logs in, I'm being viewed on a computer screen and given things to do and places to go. If I, Conifer Dada, was able to appear simultalneously at two different places in Second Life, that would be bilocation. But that's not possible except in the case of a rare glitch where the ghost of an avatar remains, frozen, somewhere, even though they log in and move freely about the grid. The ghost only disappears when the 'real' avatar visits the same sim as the ghost. I had to sort a situation like that out once for someone whose ghost was stuck near my home.

I think we are in a state of entanglement with our avatar. By observing the login state of an avatar we can infer information about the state of the real person at that very moment. Also, any action performed on either of the two entities will instantaneously affect the other entity.

Fortunately the observation of the login state doesn't instantaneously result in the real person login out (unless the observer is someone the avatar is trying to avoid).



PS Cool name; BSG rulz.

ahhhhhh.....but in a multidimensional universe, my dear, where do you find the limitations?...lol!

After a teleport some days it can be more like spaghettification.

hahaha, Hiro.....you rock! And Dean Radin would be very proud!

So we find another BSG lover. Awesome. Yes, I realized when I signed on to be a part of SL that, oh my gods, no way could I leave BSG behind. The marriage of these two obsessions is an 'affable' one and they are very much in accord to be sure. (o;

To answer the posted question I would think that it could be argued from the many possible perspectives that could be taken on any event then from at least some of them my answer would be yes.

Admittedly I am a dilletante of quantum physics, but I would also argue that we could be doing something similar to what you are asking even if the question is posed in a manner unintended as to the framers of quantum physics. To take some small liberty with your thread
I say there are indeed many fascinating aspects and implications to what we are achieving
in the very simple act of being rezidents in this virtual world. It definitely brings up the question of what "we" or "I" actually is.

In participating inworld we are routinely occupying and interacting inside of a space/non-space or non-space at least in terms of what was considered possible only a few short years ago. We are projecting our actual identities if not in actual name into a sub context mostly composed and supported by electrons that not only "spans" the globe but
has no actual limit on potential size. Certainly there is a logical explanation for how we are able to do this, however if we were to suppose for a moment that we "were" our avatars then
from that limited viewpoint we would have absolutely no clue how the "world" was created.
In another swerve what if avatars could continue to move about under some sort of yet to be introduced AI that would guide their behavior by a cross section of past User behavior while logged in. And if there were also some sort of systematized form of self reflection for the avatars themselves even if not meeting the definition of human sentience then it is possible that an avatar could think of him/her self as a complete entity or person. Whether
the User was logged in or not as avatar behavior would be a generalized reflection of User logged on behavior. This brings up variants on the possiblities of duplication and distribution of of what we consider identity. If my avatar was able to "learn" on its own during my logged off period then we could in a sense share our individual experiences in a
limited sense from the User perspective to have access to a "avatar report" of what my avatar did while "I" was logged off and while I am logged in my avatar would gain data on me even if it was just in the mundane sense of my uploading new textures or telling stories inworld.
What could we call this arrangement in a way "I" would be in two places at once even if it was only a reflection of me doing very simple behaviors. Another even more interesting
question in my opinion is the extent of "User Interaction". If my hypothetical self guided avatar made no distinction between when I was logged on and when I was logged off, in other words it seamlessly "thought" it was himself even when "I" was logged on then
what other contexts could this concept apply to?

Where does the generic concept of Identity really start and end and what are the limits of its potential manifestation. Then potential meta-physical overtones, such as...do we have
Users in our RL? Is our real world a sub-context of some much larger framework of existence? If not then it is very interesting that we (humans) can build a working apparatus
that is an evolving equivalent of that very exercise...isn't it?

In these kind of tricky questions it usually boils down to aspects of size and perspective.
For example there are over one hundred trillion cells in the human body. On a sub particle level there is massive amounts of space and energy all within my own body. As we have seen in other areas the Life Force seems to be ingenious at utilizing many many areas of "space and energy" to allow the formation of life. None of us can say there are no sentient
life forms existing right in the very cells of our own bodies. If indeed there were and assuming everying thing in "Me" is a part of me then I am in trillions of places at the same time All the time!

Oh I also think Caprica is a very cool name BSG forever!

This could lead to a sad form of immortality. In the future a person could spend their entire life in a virtual world and when they died their avatar would continue. I say it's sad because the AI would really be quite stupid but yet so would a human that had spent their entire life logged into a virtual world. The human would have degraded themselves by spending their life in a virtual world and this would then make it easier for the AI to imitate the human. It would be a blending of minds. Stupid+Smart=Average.

Although I'm sure they'd be great at mental arithmetic and finding land for sale!.

haha yes that would be. I had not looked at it from that perspective. I like the quantum physics referenced questions as it points to actual real dynamics that show how huge
and amazingly intricate the real world is.

I believe the definition of Bilocation requires your PHYSICAL presence in two locations. I think SL is more of a projection than a bilocation.

Angel.

Oh, my godz, that is AMAZING. You have posed these questions well (!) and contemplated things I have been considering also!

I have really thought about the question: how can we exist in the ALWAYS/NOW, how is it that we live outside of the limitations of space and time? Or within the unlimited pure potentiality of existing, always expanding in our awareness-of-being on the "leading edge of thought."

What we consider to be our identity, from a holographic and quantum physics point of view is being obliterated as you obviously are aware of. SL is a great model for increased understanding of this. A really great way to play with these ideas. (O:

Intention-manifestation/creation, awareness of what can be (and actually already is) = reality. Objective reality, I believe so far, exists within the context of subjective reality. Not as egoism or solipsism - but rather as a side effect, if you will, of the all, the ALL (including nothingness/pure potentiality) experiencing an infinite number of perspectives, including that of things formed AND unformed.

Wowza, awesome post! Thank you!!

(And yep it's fun being Caprica in here!)

Interesting but a very reductionist point of view. The concepts posted above are actually referring to a model of existence that only considers potentiality from the POV of the Holographic Model of existence. That model does not allow for anything but the expansion of existence and expression, the leading edge of awareness & thought. Everything that 'exists' is existing because of Infinite MIND (not the brain computer-relay station) and is imbued-permeated-made of the infinite universal fabric or universal substance. Same fabric that '"wrinkles" here and there as you, as me, as an ocean, as a rock, as the wind, as love........So there is no thing, nothing formed or unformed that is not on some level, aware. Limitations, ultimately, for any being, no matter how we may** Imagine** them, limitations do *not* exists. At least not for very long! lol!

Fun, huh?? (O:

Hi! (O:

lol! It's ALL a projection, ultimately of consciousness experiencing Itself from various perspectives.

Bilocation is not limited to physical existence although it can include that. Everyone who loves to read should pick up a copy of "Autobiography of a Yogi" (!!!)

There is bilocation, trilocation and so on. And it is both subjective and objective (you are aware of where you are projecting-and others can experience you in different 'places' all at once as well. (o;


We are (the philosophy and now the science says) are in an infinite number of locations at once, always. In the 'real world' and beyond. The finer our vibration 'down here' the more aware we become of this and the more consciously we can choose to enjoy and/or function in a gazillion 'locales.' The consensus in these circles, so far, is that we already do this from 'sleep' mode while we are awake here in RL (and while we are asleep dreaming).

Personally I can't WAIT to hear more about the continuing research on this.

Now don't get me wrong,

I do enjoy the whole "let's talk pseudo philosophic nonsense interspersed with some words we picked up in the latest Stephen Hawking book but don't really understand" thing.. particularly after the first bottle of wine has gone and I'm not tied down by having to quote credible sources or... mmm.. even know anything.

Ok, I'm being a bit harsh.. and these concepts are interesting and stretch the mind.

Am I the only one though that thinks, just perhaps, the beauty and the complexity and the little tingle of excitement you get when discussing the fantastic possibilities hinted at by new ideas in theoretical physics..well they only really exist when you're discussing the real ideas of creative and intellectually startling individuals.

I'm guessing the answer is no .. and I'll be slated for being an intellectual snob.. and I'll be told I have no imagination and that I have the mind of an accountant.

Either way, as I said.. it is fun to daydream and wonder out loud.. but for the most part, the truth is often stranger and more beautiful than fiction.

Mmmm.. the question is.. am I bilocating now.. I mean the loci of my consciousness is going to have representations in two places at once... oh.. when I phone out for pizza later....it's a tricky .. tricky thing to think about..

I'll get my coat..

That truth is more beautiful than fiction is especially so when the fiction involves wearing your hair and shoes up your butt.