Is it against the rules to...

yes, something happened today which I am rather mad about. a friend I was talking to in IM's, apparently gave the conversation to someone else, and then posted a note card with the whole conversation on it. if im not mistaken, isent that against the rules to distribute that without my permission. and yes, it did cause me great stress for what happened.

Yes it is against the rules. You are within your rights to report him

well i think its against the TOS or something...but i cant find the exact quotation of it....anyone know it?

It comes under disclosure in the community standards:

http://secondlife.com/corporate/cs.php

"Residents are entitled to a reasonable level of privacy with regard to their Second Life experience. Sharing personal information about a fellow Resident --including gender, religion, age, marital status, race, sexual preference, and real-world location beyond what is provided by the Resident in the First Life page of their Resident profile is a violation of that Resident's privacy. Remotely monitoring conversations, posting conversation logs, or sharing conversation logs without consent are all prohibited in Second Life and on the Second Life Forums."

mmmmk, thanks...one last thing, how would i go about reporting them?

Don't use pigeon post far too slow, but quicker than getting a reply, maybe?

...pigeon post?

This is one of those things that's very much a grey area. A business person is within their rights to share logs of customers with their business partners, for instance. Estate Managers are within their rights to share logs of abusive individuals with each other and the estate owner. And most people don't care, so it's extremely common for people to quote others. Look at 10 profiles, and I bet you'll find that several have quotes and partial logs of amusing comments on them. Mine does too (though it's all stuff that was said in open chat, and/or I have permission).

That said, in this instance the OP is within their rights to file an AR. In the future though, bear in mind that freedom of speech tends to get out of hand, and people will repeat things that they hear.

In the viewer, Help>Report Abuse..., then I guess the category is Disclosure>SL info/chat/IMs, and the rest is clear enough.

it wasent repeated, it was copy and pasted and put in a note card and was put as an attachment in the group message.

I would report it immediately. Include time and date and the group name so they can look in the groups cache for the offending material ..

That sux.

And then IM/PM me with the group name so that I know what group I want no part of.

Right. I think you're responding to: "In the future though, bear in mind that freedom of speech tends to get out of hand, and people will repeat things that they hear" which I think is just meant that it's good to keep in mind that nothing is *really* private. What happened is definitely grounds for an AR, and nobody is disputing that. It's just worth noting that "word gets around" despite the privacy clause in the Community Standards. (For example, there's nothing to prevent someone from posting chatlogs to third-party sites; it can only govern what happens in-world, on these forums, and presumably anywhere on the secondlife.com domain.)

No it is against TOS for any resident to share a log..just because you own a business in sl gives you no more right to share an IM without permission than someone just coming in game..
you don't fall Imune nomatter who you are..it's the same rules for everyone..
now General chat may not fall under that but private messaging sure does..
and also some general chats are considered as an offense also if a spybot is used..

If I estate banned every person that was reported as breaking a rule, without proof, half the grid wouldn't be allowed on the estate. People like to try to get others in trouble, but common sense dictates that if there's no proof, it's not right to take action. Chat logs aren't infallible (the files aren't write protected AFAIK) but LL gives them to us to use and they're pretty much the only way to verify that something happened. They're there for such use, and we're allowed to use them for that. /me facepalms.

Of course, posting private chat logs to a group isn't nice.

And Qie is right, I did mean "word gets around" and you have to act as though there's no privacy in SL, because what there is is limited.

/me lifts your face gently out of your palms.
you may want to read this

Disclosure
Residents are entitled to a reasonable level of privacy with regard to their Second Life experience. Sharing personal information about a fellow Resident --including gender, religion, age, marital status, race, sexual preference, and real-world location beyond what is provided by the Resident in the First Life page of their Resident profile is a violation of that Resident's privacy. Remotely monitoring conversations, posting conversation logs, or sharing conversation logs without consent are all prohibited in Second Life and on the Second Life Forums.

LL does make a concession that they can't enforce it on other websites.

that is because LL cannot see server logs from other sites..
this is why IM chat logs are useless in world..too many times i have seen them juiced up and edited..
the only time they would be proof at all is getting an IM log from each person involved and they both match..

The disclosure rule is only acceptable for RL info, passed on within SL, through either IM's, NOTES, CHATS, OBJECTS etc

All SL info (e.g. virtual endavors, avatars) is virtual, so no diclosure of any kind.

Besides, if you think really strict, everyone is virtually disclosing info.
(as soon as you talk/communicate in whatever form with someone else as avatar, you are disclosing your virtual self., therefor, it only applies to RL info brought into SL, and when this RL info gets passed on, to others, without permission from the originator, it's disclosure, and thus abuse)

and to:


and LL does this, when unsure. case dependend. They log everything on their system, including IM's and group chats etc. Even thing you rez, where you've been, the whole shebang. (a linden told me)

I disagree with your interpretation. I read the paragraph as saying that every resident has a right to privacy concering their RL details *AND* their conversation logs.

There's some wiggle room, though, because "post" isn't defined. Relaying it to another individual isn't what I'd call "posting"; sending it to a group is. But what was LL's original intent? I'd have to guess. What's their practical policy? I doubt it's enforced consistently, since few of their policies are (it's a terribly difficult thing to do, and they're not particularly good at it).

That said, I agree that there are times when it's appropriate to convey conversation logs, such as responding to a griefer to an estate manager. Of course, nobody should assume that a posted conversation is accurate, because it's trivial to edit it.



LittleMe, don't blame the group, blame whomever posted the notice.

sure does cover your chat logs
and the only real log that is true proof would be an LL log from the server..did you not understand what i ws saying in the only part you left out of the quote..
that they cannot monitor other sites because they do NOT have access to other server logs that are not theirs..that is why log sharing cannot be monitored outside of sl..

it is not allowed in SL to share private logs without permission..it doesn't say logs with rl private information in them..it says all

Disclosure
Residents are entitled to a reasonable level of privacy with regard to their Second Life experience. Sharing personal information about a fellow Resident --including gender, religion, age, marital status, race, sexual preference, and real-world location beyond what is provided by the Resident in the First Life page of their Resident profile is a violation of that Resident's privacy..............Remotely monitoring conversations, posting conversation logs, or sharing conversation logs without consent are >all< prohibited in Second Life and on the Second Life Forums.