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Jezabell Barbosa
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12-28-2007 08:35
What are your thoughts on this puter?
SL friendly?



Gateway QuadCore Desktop with 19" LCD Features:

Processor: Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 Quad Core Processor with VT (2.40 GHz)

System Memory/RAM: 3072MB DDR2 (2 x 1024MB + 2 x 512MB), 667 MHz (PC2-5300); expandable to 8GB; Total 4 DDR2 slots / Available: 0 DDR2 slots

Hard Drive: 500 GB SATA II Hard Drive (7200 RPM)

Optical Drive: DVD +/- RW

Operating System: Windows Vista Home Premium

Monitor (type/size) : 19" widescreen LCD

Media Card Reader: High-performance 15-in-1 digital media card reader (up to 40X faster): xD Picture Card, CompactFlash 1 (CF), CompactFlash II, Secure Digital (SD), Mini Secure Digital (Mini SD), Multi Media Card (MMC), Reduced Size MMC (RS-MMC), MMC Mobile, MMC Plus, Memory Stick (MS), Memory Stick Duo, Memory Stick Pro, Memory Stick Pro Duo, SmartMEdia, IBM Microdrive

Additional Features and Specifications:

System Bus: 1066MHz Front Side Bus, 2 x 4MB of Level 2 Cache
Cache Memory: 8MB
Graphics: NVidia GeForce 8500GT; DirectX 10, Blue-ray/HD-DVD capable
Video Memory: Up to 256MB on board memory
Audio: 5.1 high definition audio
Speakers: Amplified stereo (USB powered); (5) Audio (rear): center/sub, rear (stereo), line-in/side, (stereo), front/headphones (stereo), microphone, plus S/PDIF Optical
Modem: 56K ITU V.92 fax / modem
Network Interface: Intel 10 / 100 Mbps built-in Ethernet LAN
Power Supply: 400-watt (internal to desktop)
External Ports: (8) USB 2.0 (2 front, 6 rear), (2) IEEE 1394 (1 front, 1 rear), (1) VGA, (2) PS/2 (keyboard and mouse), (1) RJ-45 Ethernet, (1) RJ-11 modem
Keyboard: Yes
Mouse: Yes
Weight: 23.4 lbs.
GT5628 desktop measures approx. 15.5"L x 7.25"W x 16.5"H
LCD monitor measures approx. 17.51"L x 15.35"W x 2.29"H
Desktop made of aluminum
LCD made of plastic
Model #GT5628
Both desktop and LCD are UL listed
Made in China
Comes with a manufacturer's 1-year limited warranty
Cherry Czervik
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12-28-2007 09:00
You missed something vital ... how much?

I'd say as much memory as you can get too ... but that's me being memory hungry.
Qie Niangao
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12-28-2007 09:01
Mostly quite good.

I'm not crazy about the display; the resolution is only 1440 x 900 according to the Gateway website, and personally I feel 1920x1200 is a lot more comfortable (for one thing, HDTV is 1920x1080).

The nVidia 8500GT card is not bad, although mine has 512MB on board, so that could make a performance difference. (Some recent nVidia driver glitches, especially with WindLight, but nothing you can't get around or live with till they get their act together.)

Speaking of memory... that 3rd GB of RAM probably isn't going to see much use right away, but if you had them configure it with only 2GB they'd probably fill all the slots with 512MB modules, which would be Really Bad when you need to expand in a couple years.

I gather SL is running well enough on Vista these days, though I can't speak to that myself. (It looks like a really nice Linux machine, though. :p )
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12-28-2007 09:29
I'd definitely want more memory on the graphics card.
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Snowman Jiminy
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12-28-2007 09:34
From: Jezabell Barbosa
What are your thoughts on this puter?
SL friendly?


Looks good to me.

And it's not just me..... my puter would like to have your puter's phone number !

:) :) :)
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12-28-2007 09:53
From: Qie Niangao

I gather SL is running well enough on Vista these days, though I can't speak to that myself. (It looks like a really nice Linux machine, though. :p )


I'm still finding it to be an absolute nightmare! I crash on average approx once every hour in SL since I changed to Vista; I never crashed on XP.
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12-28-2007 09:57
Reading that just made my eyes bleed.
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Jezabell Barbosa
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12-28-2007 10:11
From: Brenda Connolly
Reading that just made my eyes bleed.


Sorry about your eyes Brenda
/me hands brenda a wet wipe
Jezabell Barbosa
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12-28-2007 10:11
From: HoneyBear Lilliehook
I'd definitely want more memory on the graphics card.


This is upgradeable, yes?
So.
Puter looks ok?
Strauss Ulderport
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12-28-2007 10:17
From: Qie Niangao
Mostly quite good.

I'm not crazy about the display; the resolution is only 1440 x 900 according to the Gateway website, and personally I feel 1920x1200 is a lot more comfortable (for one thing, HDTV is 1920x1080).

The nVidia 8500GT card is not bad, although mine has 512MB on board, so that could make a performance difference. (Some recent nVidia driver glitches, especially with WindLight, but nothing you can't get around or live with till they get their act together.)

Speaking of memory... that 3rd GB of RAM probably isn't going to see much use right away, but if you had them configure it with only 2GB they'd probably fill all the slots with 512MB modules, which would be Really Bad when you need to expand in a couple years.

I gather SL is running well enough on Vista these days, though I can't speak to that myself. (It looks like a really nice Linux machine, though. :p )


A few comments; the monitor is 19" wide screen. Having one myself 1440 x 900 is much more comfy for such a monitor then anything of a higher res unless you want things distorted or super small text/icons.

Most benchmarks show there is very little performance difference between 256m and 512m on a video card unless you are playing a cuttent edge rendering engine with max or close to max visual settings (Unreal 3 for example). The SL rendering engine is a few generations behind, thus 256m will be fine.

Agreed about your RAM comments. :)
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12-28-2007 10:19
Graphics: NVidia GeForce 8500GT; DirectX 10, Blue-ray/HD-DVD capable
Video Memory: Up to 256MB on board memory

Is that trying to say it has an 8500GT with 256 megs of video ram?

That isn't actually what it does say.

If there's a place in the specs that says how much video memory it actually does have I'm overlooking it.
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12-28-2007 12:15
When it comes to video memory, the word "upto" usually means the graphics card is using at least partially shared, if not entirely shared, memory. That's always an instant show-stopper for me. System RAM is much slower at processing graphics than is dedicated video RAM. When a video card is set up to borrow its memory from system RAM ("shared memory";), it will always run very noticeably slower than if it had its own onboard VRAM.

That having been said, when I look at the specs of the GT5628 directly on the Gateway website ( http://www.gateway.com/retail/gt5628.php ), it shows it's got an nVidia GeForce 8500GT with 256 MB of dedicated video memory. Further, nVidia's own site lists 256MB as the ONLY option for the 8500 GT. So I'm not sure from where you quoted that "upto" listing, Jezabell, but it seems like it's incorrect. And that's a good thing.

Also, your listing shows 5.1 audio, but Gateway lists it as 7.1. That's just too many mistakes for me to believe whatever site you were looking at really knows what they're doing.

I might suggest that if you do go ahead and buy this machine, that you get it from somewhere less prone to typos. If they were wrong about specs, they could be conveniently "mistaken" about other things they're telling you as well (like how well they plan on treating you when you need service).

Anyway, judging from the specs on the Gateway site, I'd say that for the money, it's a pretty decent machine. There are a few things I'd be leery of though.

1. I notice there's no secondary PCI-E x16 slot. That means if you ever want to add a second video card, you'll be SOL. If that doesn't matter to you though, then don't worry about.

2. Notice it says "BlueRay/HD-DVD capable", but it does not actually come with a BlueRay or HD-DVD drive. At that price, it shouldn't, but it's worth being aware that it doesn't. The wording is a little tricky there. Me, I really don't care about BlueRay or HD-DVD (I'm sitting back and hoping the silly format war will come to an end, or else I'll just stick with DVD's for the next decade), so if you don't either, then don't worry about it. The machine does come with a what looks to be a pretty good dual layer DVD writable drive, which is nice.

3. The 7.1 HD Audio is most likely the Realtek card that nVidia is attaching to a lot of their motherboards these days. If high quality sound is important to you, be aware that you'll probably want to disable the onboard audio, and replace it with a stand-alone card (Creative X-Fi is cheap and sounds great). That Realtek, if indeed that's what it is, doesn't sound very good, and is prone to crackling. (If yours crackles, turn off enhanced audio effects in the driver settings, and in all your games. That usually solves it.)

4. The monitor specs are quite bad. They're actually worse than those of the 5-year-old panels I've got sitting in my closet right now.

First, the 700:1 contrast ratio on that thing is abysmal. Most modern LCD monitors will give you at least 1000:1. Heck, 3000:1, which was a luxury just a couple of years ago, is now so common, it's almost a standard. At just 700:1, you'll miss an awful lot. Textures and other imagery with any degree of subtle shading will likely end up looking very flat and monotone on that screen. There will be a tremendous amount of detail, both inside SL and out, that you simply won't be able to see.

Second, the viewing angle is atrocious. These days, any flat panel worth getting will have at least a 170x170 degree viewing angle. This one is only 150x135. At that narrow of an angle set, if you'll notice very quickly that if your head is not exactly in the right position, the colors will distort and fade.

Third, the 6ms response time is OK, but it's not great. Lots of inexpensive LCD's sport 2ms response these days.

Third, as has been mentioned, the height is really small. I agree with Qie about 1920x1200 being a more ideal size, not only for HDTV, but also for doing texture work. At only 900 pixels tall, that Gateway display will never be able to show you what a 1024-tall texture looks like at full size. You've only just barely got enough room for a 512 after you account for the combined heights of the start bar, window borders, title bars, menu bars, and tool bars. You'll also find yourself scrolling endlessly when viewing Web pages or even Word documents. 900 pixels just isn't a big number.

Remember, before wide screens became all the rage, a 19" monitor was 1280x1024, and that was pretty much a minimum standard size for a decent screen. Now consider that at 1440x900, that so-called "wide" 19" screen actually has almost 15,000 less pixels in it than a standard 19" screen. By getting wider, it actually gets smaller.

If I were you, I'd spend the extra hundred bucks or so, and get at least a 1680x1050. And preferably not a Gateway. There are lots of other makes that feature better contrast and response times within the same price range.




That's my 2 cents. Hope it's helpful.
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Jezabell Barbosa
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12-29-2007 10:53
Thanks so much Chosen.

All I can say is WOW. All the answers to my questions in one post. Fantastic. I wish I could take you shopping with me.

/me blows you a kissy

Jez
This is a machine made by gateway for bestbuy and other 3rd party stores. My friend recieved this from her parents and she has offerered to sell it to me. Its new and in the box.