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Aminom Marvin

Registered User

Join date: 31 Dec 2006

Posts: 520

11-15-2008 10:12

So, it seems that we shouldn't expect any change whatsoever on Openspace policy. For those who want to get out (and there are many) there are ways to get screwed less. You may feel like abandoning the land, but in this case LL wins bigtime, because they are able to re-sell the server space and again collect setup fees. Also, reselling meets the demand for one more sim, so that is one less sim SL could sell at full price as new.

1) If you own four or more OSs: work _with_ a buyer before conversion. When you convert to a full sim from four OSs, you can rename and reposition it without charge. So, working with a buyer, it is exactly like buying a new sim from LL (for an existing sim, renaming costs $150, and repositioning costs $100.) What this means is that you can get more from four openspaces than from a single, existing full sim on resell.

You can submit everything as one ticket transaction. Just have you, and the purchaser, put in the details of the transfer/conversion in a single ticket: openspaces to convert/transfer, new name, new position, and price.

Tier: the tier date of the new sim upon transfer is an average of the tier dates of the four openspaces. Remember, when you buy new from LL, you get a free month's tier. Worst case scenario, the maximum value of four OSs transfered in the above way is $1000(setup cost) - $300 (month's tier) - $100 (transfer fee) or $600. The value in the best case scenario (full month's tier left) is $900. Now, there is no way one is going to recover all of the value, so I'd say price it at least $100 less than its full value or more, depending on how fast you want to sell/availability of buyers.

If you own less than two OSs: It is best to work with another OSs buyer to sell a total of four OSs. Otherwise, you can barely even _give away_ an individual OSs. There are two options for this, depending on whether or not LL allows two OSs owners to transfer a total of four openspaces to a third buyer in a single transaction for a single $100 fee. I put in a ticket asking on this and didn't get an immediate response (it is listed as "work in progress"

so I figure they are still deciding. If information becomes available I shall post it.

2) All as one transaction. For example, Party A has three OSs, and Party B has one. Both transfer/convert the total of four at the same time to Party B as one transaction for a single $100 fee. The economic figures are the same as 1), except that the proceeds are split proportionately among the two sellers.

3) Multiple transactions. Find someone to "fill your hole" to complete a set of four; three sellers results in more fees. Seller A first transfers his/her OSs to Seller B for a $100 fee, and then Seller B transfers them to Buyer C for an additional $100. The maximum value in this case is $800, and the minimum $500. Proceeds are split proportionately (if the proceeds are $500, for example, Seller A with 1 OSs would get $125 and Seller B would get $375.)

Dakota Tebaldi

Voodoo Child

Join date: 6 Feb 2008

Posts: 1,873

11-15-2008 10:30

From: Aminom Marvin

If you own less than two OSs: It is best to work with another OSs buyer to sell a total of four OSs. Otherwise, you can barely even _give away_ an individual OSs. There are two options for this, depending on whether or not LL allows two OSs owners to transfer a total of four openspaces to a third buyer in a single transaction for a single $100 fee. I put in a ticket asking on this and didn't get an immediate response (it is listed as "work in progress"

so I figure they are still deciding. If information becomes available I shall post it.

2) All as one transaction. For example, Party A has three OSs, and Party B has one. Both transfer/convert the total of four at the same time to Party B as one transaction for a single $100 fee. The economic figures are the same as 1), except that the proceeds are split proportionately among the two sellers.

3) Multiple transactions. Find someone to "fill your hole" to complete a set of four; three sellers results in more fees. Seller A first transfers his/her OSs to Seller B for a $100 fee, and then Seller B transfers them to Buyer C for an additional $100. The maximum value in this case is $800, and the minimum $500. Proceeds are split proportionately (if the proceeds are $500, for example, Seller A with 1 OSs would get $125 and Seller B would get $375.)

I do not believe this will work. The blog entry at the beginning of all this left me with the impression that as of the posting date, people are no longer able to sell/transfer OS sims, unless they bought the sim from someone other than LL, in which case the only person they're allowed to sell/transfer the sim to is the person who originally bought it from LL. Thus, if you own anything less than 4 OS sims, you are simply out of luck and are forced to abandon.

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Juicy Littlething

Registered User

Join date: 13 Mar 2008

Posts: 57

11-15-2008 10:59

You can still buy OS sims from other residents.

Starfire Desade

Can I play with YOUR mind

Join date: 10 Jul 2006

Posts: 404

11-15-2008 11:20

I believe the "no transfer" mentioned in the blog was regarding selling parcels (or the whole OS) to someone while still remaining the payor. You can transfer the whole sim.

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Roisin Hotaling

Pixel Manipulator

Join date: 3 Jun 2007

Posts: 300

11-15-2008 11:44

Jack, Mark, and the rest of the decision makers at LL need to read this: http://www.businessweek.com/managing/content/nov2008/ca2008117_654471.htm. Here are the introductory paragraphs:

From: someone

Obama's Victory: A Consumer-Citizen Revolt: The election confirms it's time for sober reappraisal and reinvention within the business community. If you don't do it, someone else will

by Shoshana Zuboff

This column is dedicated to the top managers of American business whose policies and practices helped ensure Barack Obama's victory. The mandate for change that sounded across this country is not limited to our new President and Congress. That bell also tolls for you. Obama's triumph was ignited in part by your failure to understand and respect your own consumers, customers, employees, and end users. The despair that fueled America's yearning for change and hope grew to maturity in your garden.

Millions of Americans heard President-elect Obama painfully recall his sense of frustration, powerlessness, and outrage when his mother's health insurer refused to cover her cancer treatments. Worse still, every one of them knew exactly how he felt. That long-simmering indignation is by now the defining experience of every consumer of health care, mortgages, insurance, travel, and financial services—the list goes on.

Obama was elected not only because many Americans feel betrayed and abandoned by their government but because those feelings finally converged with their sense of betrayal at the hands of Corporate America. Their experiences as consumers and as citizens joined to create a wave of revolt against the status quo—as occurred in the American Revolution. Be wary of those who counsel business as usual. This post-election period is a turning point for the business community. It demands an attitude of sober reappraisal and a disposition toward fundamental reinvention. If you don't do it, someone else will.

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RoHo Gallery of furniture and art: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Hennepin/82/196/111

Ro-sheen's Coffee House: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Magi/144/146/23
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Ivy Darrow

Truly

Join date: 30 Apr 2006

Posts: 43

11-18-2008 07:06

Does anyone know if there is a thread or other place where people wanting to sell or buy OS sims can connect?

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Openspaces: How to Get Screwed Less by Linden Lab
Aminom Marvin Registered User Join date: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 520	11-15-2008 10:12 So, it seems that we shouldn't expect any change whatsoever on Openspace policy. For those who want to get out (and there are many) there are ways to get screwed less. You may feel like abandoning the land, but in this case LL wins bigtime, because they are able to re-sell the server space and again collect setup fees. Also, reselling meets the demand for one more sim, so that is one less sim SL could sell at full price as new. 1) If you own four or more OSs: work _with_ a buyer before conversion. When you convert to a full sim from four OSs, you can rename and reposition it without charge. So, working with a buyer, it is exactly like buying a new sim from LL (for an existing sim, renaming costs $150, and repositioning costs $100.) What this means is that you can get more from four openspaces than from a single, existing full sim on resell. You can submit everything as one ticket transaction. Just have you, and the purchaser, put in the details of the transfer/conversion in a single ticket: openspaces to convert/transfer, new name, new position, and price. Tier: the tier date of the new sim upon transfer is an average of the tier dates of the four openspaces. Remember, when you buy new from LL, you get a free month's tier. Worst case scenario, the maximum value of four OSs transfered in the above way is $1000(setup cost) - $300 (month's tier) - $100 (transfer fee) or $600. The value in the best case scenario (full month's tier left) is $900. Now, there is no way one is going to recover all of the value, so I'd say price it at least $100 less than its full value or more, depending on how fast you want to sell/availability of buyers. If you own less than two OSs: It is best to work with another OSs buyer to sell a total of four OSs. Otherwise, you can barely even _give away_ an individual OSs. There are two options for this, depending on whether or not LL allows two OSs owners to transfer a total of four openspaces to a third buyer in a single transaction for a single $100 fee. I put in a ticket asking on this and didn't get an immediate response (it is listed as "work in progress" so I figure they are still deciding. If information becomes available I shall post it. 2) All as one transaction. For example, Party A has three OSs, and Party B has one. Both transfer/convert the total of four at the same time to Party B as one transaction for a single $100 fee. The economic figures are the same as 1), except that the proceeds are split proportionately among the two sellers. 3) Multiple transactions. Find someone to "fill your hole" to complete a set of four; three sellers results in more fees. Seller A first transfers his/her OSs to Seller B for a $100 fee, and then Seller B transfers them to Buyer C for an additional $100. The maximum value in this case is $800, and the minimum $500. Proceeds are split proportionately (if the proceeds are $500, for example, Seller A with 1 OSs would get $125 and Seller B would get $375.)
Dakota Tebaldi Voodoo Child Join date: 6 Feb 2008 Posts: 1,873	11-15-2008 10:30 From: Aminom Marvin If you own less than two OSs: It is best to work with another OSs buyer to sell a total of four OSs. Otherwise, you can barely even _give away_ an individual OSs. There are two options for this, depending on whether or not LL allows two OSs owners to transfer a total of four openspaces to a third buyer in a single transaction for a single $100 fee. I put in a ticket asking on this and didn't get an immediate response (it is listed as "work in progress" so I figure they are still deciding. If information becomes available I shall post it. 2) All as one transaction. For example, Party A has three OSs, and Party B has one. Both transfer/convert the total of four at the same time to Party B as one transaction for a single $100 fee. The economic figures are the same as 1), except that the proceeds are split proportionately among the two sellers. 3) Multiple transactions. Find someone to "fill your hole" to complete a set of four; three sellers results in more fees. Seller A first transfers his/her OSs to Seller B for a $100 fee, and then Seller B transfers them to Buyer C for an additional $100. The maximum value in this case is $800, and the minimum $500. Proceeds are split proportionately (if the proceeds are $500, for example, Seller A with 1 OSs would get $125 and Seller B would get $375.) I do not believe this will work. The blog entry at the beginning of all this left me with the impression that as of the posting date, people are no longer able to sell/transfer OS sims, unless they bought the sim from someone other than LL, in which case the only person they're allowed to sell/transfer the sim to is the person who originally bought it from LL. Thus, if you own anything less than 4 OS sims, you are simply out of luck and are forced to abandon. _____________________ "...Dakota will grow up to be very scary... but in a HOT and desireable kind of way." - 3Ring Binder "I really do think it's a pity he didnt "age" himself to 18." - Jig Chippewa
Juicy Littlething Registered User Join date: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 57	11-15-2008 10:59 You can still buy OS sims from other residents.
Starfire Desade Can I play with YOUR mind Join date: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 404	11-15-2008 11:20 I believe the "no transfer" mentioned in the blog was regarding selling parcels (or the whole OS) to someone while still remaining the payor. You can transfer the whole sim. _____________________ "Hypnotic Magic" - Second Life's Hypnosis Specialists - Home of the TranceStar (Hypno, BDSM, Mind Control) Free your mind from the ordinary! http://slurl.com/secondlife/Stellar%20Dreams/122/67/26/
Roisin Hotaling Pixel Manipulator Join date: 3 Jun 2007 Posts: 300	11-15-2008 11:44 Jack, Mark, and the rest of the decision makers at LL need to read this: http://www.businessweek.com/managing/content/nov2008/ca2008117_654471.htm. Here are the introductory paragraphs: From: someone Obama's Victory: A Consumer-Citizen Revolt: The election confirms it's time for sober reappraisal and reinvention within the business community. If you don't do it, someone else will by Shoshana Zuboff This column is dedicated to the top managers of American business whose policies and practices helped ensure Barack Obama's victory. The mandate for change that sounded across this country is not limited to our new President and Congress. That bell also tolls for you. Obama's triumph was ignited in part by your failure to understand and respect your own consumers, customers, employees, and end users. The despair that fueled America's yearning for change and hope grew to maturity in your garden. Millions of Americans heard President-elect Obama painfully recall his sense of frustration, powerlessness, and outrage when his mother's health insurer refused to cover her cancer treatments. Worse still, every one of them knew exactly how he felt. That long-simmering indignation is by now the defining experience of every consumer of health care, mortgages, insurance, travel, and financial services—the list goes on. Obama was elected not only because many Americans feel betrayed and abandoned by their government but because those feelings finally converged with their sense of betrayal at the hands of Corporate America. Their experiences as consumers and as citizens joined to create a wave of revolt against the status quo—as occurred in the American Revolution. Be wary of those who counsel business as usual. This post-election period is a turning point for the business community. It demands an attitude of sober reappraisal and a disposition toward fundamental reinvention. If you don't do it, someone else will. _____________________ RoHo Gallery of furniture and art: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Hennepin/82/196/111 Ro-sheen's Coffee House: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Magi/144/146/23 ------------------------------- http://www.flickr.com/photos/roisinhotaling/ ====================================
Ivy Darrow Truly Join date: 30 Apr 2006 Posts: 43	11-18-2008 07:06 Does anyone know if there is a thread or other place where people wanting to sell or buy OS sims can connect? _____________________ For beautiful rental cottages, visit The Cottages at Ivy Hollow.

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