Do skin shops need to be marked as "restricted content"

I don't think they do as they are not sexual or violent

However they obviously are full of nude avatar pictures so you can see the skins for sale, so would a land owner get into trouble for that on mature land that hasn't been marked as restricted?
Would people recommend marking it just to be safe?
Does making it not visable from outside the shop help?

Have any clarifications been made on this, or is it a grey area?

[My appologies if this has been awnsered on another thread - I didn't find it]

I wouldn't have thought so unless mature becomes PG.

I sell skins and do not have any nude avatar photos anywhere. However people trying on the skins often undress.

I wont be saying my area is adult, becase it isnt.

Good question. Can simple avatar nudity be defined as broadly offensive? Or are those who find avatar nudity broadly offensive simple?

Depends on the avatar. Most avvies, up to and including Ruth --
Some avvies --
A few avvies --

Ah, you've just reminded me of a few broadly offensive avis, and they weren't even nude!

Nudity isn't PG, it's mature. But I don't see how nudity, alone, makes it "restricted".

Well, neither. Avatar nudity is not explicitly sexual or violent, and so is not by itself cause for "restricted" land classification. And as for your question about whether people who are offended by nudity are simple (by which I assume you mean some form of stupid), that is troll-ish and I'm going to ignore it . From the Linden's point of view, no single avatar can find something "broadly offensive", LL probably meant to say that they will judge whether something is "broadly offensive" by the volume and sources of the complaints they receive.

All that said, many skin vendors now put fig leaves of some sort over the genitalia in pictures, leaving you to judge by the demo. In such cases, I think it would be considerate if the demo were 0$ instead of 1$, but that's just me.

Some skin vendors also provide "dressing rooms", which I think is a nice convention. If such is provided I always use them, out of deference to those of more delicate sensibilities than my own. (Incidently, I prefer dressing rooms to not be private so that I don't have to pull my camera way in just to enter them; I think it is enough to provide a space where nudity is expected).

I think this a very grey area and one needing clarification from LL Central.

Most, if not all of us in-world *know* that if we want to buy a skin we want to see it in detail. This for female avatars will include genitalia.

From the recent, well perhaps not quite so recent now, debacle with the German Law and Ageplay we are faced with the legal restrictions governing cartoon representation. Is this going to include passive views of the naked form I wonder? If not now, maybe later?

I'm not condoning this view but merely airing it. It might be somewhere on an agenda at LL.
Perhaps having such illustrations behind doors and/or warning notices might be enough to avoid a 'restricted' label but yes Cortex, I think it a rather grey area and regardless of how many here say one way or another, it's still LL's ballgame and they can step down either side of the fence

My friend Cheen who makes beautiful detailed prim art sculptures pre-sculpted prims, not sure he even uses sculpties now had problem with one of his very beautiful nude female statues at Burning Life because the land was pg rated. He didn't know there was going to be problem with his art because of nipples and nude body.
By way if you can check out his artwork I believe he builds as good as Starax.
I won't say his entire name because of rules...but there is only one Cheen that makes statues thats I know of.
I assume PG means no nudity of any type.
I hope mature sims whether owners who aren't age identified can exhibit nude art, undress to work on prim clothing,etc.

Honestly, there is no reason to have completely nude pics. It's not an insurmountable obstacle. A "censored" flag over private parts will suffice. Seriously, though, this is why you have demos to begin with.

If we're going to have PG, Mature, and Mature-with-an-Adult-flag, then I'd say no...nudity would be Mature, but only Adult if there were also some sexual content. Of course, it WOULD be nice if LL would clarify, but that doesn't seem to be in their lexicon.

Clarifying is not what they want because as soon as they clarify, they lose room to maneuever, so from their perspective it's best to have a vague standard that they can later interpret flexibly as they see fit. In the RL these kinds of laws are unconstitutional because they can be "void for vagueness", but this isn't RL and the constitution doesn't apply to this kind of rule.

He has a small shop at Pando Square Mall that will lead you back to his main gallery.

Char

I will refuse to mark the public lands on Scepterd Isle 'adult' or 'restricted' or whatever they come up with until a Linden such as Jack tells me I must. I have statues of a greco-roman classical style that are anatomically correct. This is not sexual, its not lewd, its simply art. I think anyone who thinks its offensive and too delicate for children to see likely has a lot of issues to work out personally and I count my blessings daily for a mother who never wanted me to have sexual hangups, to understand that the human form is beautiful, and that while its not appropriate to go tooling around the neighborhood nakey (unless at a nudist colony, which I've never been to), that being nakey around hubby wasn't something restricted to after the lights are out.

I also will not restrict my skin sellers in Pando Square for the same reason. I'm still on the fence about the shop that sells latex with missing areas along with certain toys as it falls into the 'Castle Boutique' (local? adult items seller) and they have restrictions on age of customers and things like no window rules. The part that would get me about putting a restricted field around her shop is that a) the walls there are glass and there are no doors to the shops so what am I really restricting and b) it won't stop cam either, at least not unless they are changing something drastically.

Clarification would be good, but I think we're unlikely to get it up front. I do think we should all make concerted efforts to get word the word out if we do run into a situation where a Linden declares something restricted so that we can all either take steps to correct our own areas or band together to protest if the rules are being a bit too broadly interpreted.

Char

If the skin store shows full nudity on the boxes then it should only be in a mature sim (and even it it doesn't it still should be for the sake of customer convenience so they don't have to go somewhere else to try on a demo), but it doesn't need to be marked as restricted since it isn't graphically sexual or violent.

How many skin developers use the current "Mature' flag for places searches?

Why is it tha i see more and more skins shops ( naked product image showing more and more these days ). And Agree skins belong in MATURE areas not PG.

I was looking round Burning Life sims and I found that statue of the naked lady taking a shower. It was a bit hot so I stripped off my own clothes and joined in. I've never any problems on occasions when I've been naked in public but I do cover up in PG sims. I guess I'm fairly inoffensive, even in my birthday suit, though!!

*raises hand*

If it ends up that the Mature flag and the "Adult" flag are the same Will you uncheck it?

LOL I wonder what the blue stuff was on Cheen's statue.
And poor Cheen I didn't think get welcomed back for rest of the event he had to take snap shots outside the sim border in his blog

Are we are society of prudes? The ancients saw the human body as beautiful and made thousands of statues dedicated to the human form (a previous post mentioned this.) Thousands of paintings have been done of the human form. Would Michaelangelo's Sistine Chapel, with a naked Adam, be Mature? Is THIS painting Mature or Adult? It's basically the same thing as every skin pic in SL.

http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/03/hm3_3_1_9b.html


Skin shops showing the entire glorious human form in all its beauty, with no sexual overtones, should NOT be classified as either Mature OR Adult. They should be accessible to all. If someone has a problem with it, they should probably never look in the mirror again.

Thankyou everyone.
The general opinion seems to be restricted content isnt needed for it.