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Interesting article on the SL "credit crunch"

Bella Posaner
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12-29-2008 17:21
http://www.stuff.co.nz/thepress/4805519a26834.html
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12-29-2008 17:32
credit crunch is a bit of a stretch i think...more like land cost reduction lol
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12-29-2008 17:43
The outrageous land prices in SL have finally settled down... this isn't a problem. Sheesh.
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MarkByron Falta
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12-29-2008 17:54
This is just the standard media carp on SL refreshed under the banner of economic crisis. While noting declining land values, premium members, and corporate abandonment of SL (problems that are not new nor derived from the current economic downturn), the useless journo couldn't resist throwing out the quote on users enjoying 'boring' and 'creepy' activities.
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12-29-2008 18:24
there is no credit crunch in sl.
Cristalle Karami
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12-29-2008 18:49
What a poorly written, misleading article.
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12-29-2008 20:10
Interesting how the 'clincher' slam against SL, at the end of the article, is sourced with....drumroll, please: "says PhD student _________ ________"

Sounds pretty authoritative to me!
Mjolnir Uriza
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12-29-2008 20:35
From: Cristalle Karami
What a poorly written, misleading article.



And this would be different then any other article from most other news sources how?
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12-29-2008 20:56
From: Ponsonby Low
Interesting how the 'clincher' slam against SL, at the end of the article, is sourced with....drumroll, please: "says PhD student _________ ________"


Who probably posted a survey on the forum as part of his study.
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12-29-2008 21:20
From: Mjolnir Uriza
And this would be different then any other article from most other news sources how?

This one has nothing to do with credit. Most other crappy stories at least deal with the subject matter at hand.
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12-29-2008 22:27
Every time I see one of these weird SL articles it reminds me of this old thing.
http://www.tranquileye.com/mirrors/thecorporation/kittyporn/
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12-29-2008 22:29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ponsonby Low
Interesting how the 'clincher' slam against SL, at the end of the article, is sourced with....drumroll, please: "says PhD student _________ ________"

From: Brenda Connolly
Who probably posted a survey on the forum as part of his study.


:-D

...and got a bunch of snarky replies (we are the snarksperts, aren't we!?!?)

Hence his revenge on us, in that logic-light article.
Naiman Broome
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12-30-2008 04:09
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The average price of cyber land has dropped from 12.06 Linden dollars (seven cents) a square metre at its peak in January 2007 to 1.98 Linden dollars (1 cent) last month. While The Sun-Herald obtained price comparisons from net archives, Linden Lab chief Mark Kingdon boasted last week of a record currency trade, saying, "There's no credit crunch in Second Life."
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If it dropped then why now we pay 66% more?????
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12-30-2008 04:09
I have tiered my land holding down because my RL income has reduced and the British pound has fallen in value against the dollar. The falling pound has had much more of an effect than the imposition of VAT, which there was all tha hoo-haa about some time ago. I trimmed back because I could do so without losing any actual prims from my home, just unused prim allowance.


I think the credit crunch must have hit SL to some extent, especially large landowners. Land can be bought very cheap now but tier prices haven't changed.
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12-30-2008 04:33
From: Naiman Broome
If it dropped then why now we pay 66% more?????
1) You're not paying 66% more until July.

2) This is talking about mainland prices for buying land, not island rent.

3) Perhaps you shouldn't have expanded as rapidly.

I don't see the guy who actually invented waves in SL posting about rising rent and unfair competition. But then he only has one island, not five.
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Naiman Broome
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12-30-2008 04:38
From: Argent Stonecutter
1) You're not paying 66% more until July.

2) This is talking about mainland prices for buying land, not island rent.

3) Perhaps you shouldn't have expanded as rapidly.

I don't see the guy who actually invented waves in SL posting about rising rent and unfair competition. But then he only has one island, not five.



1 yes I guess not yet
2 why mainland lowers and openspace rises?
3 yes I shoudnt have trhusted the LL promises acording to the plan I did I could mantain then after the announcement the count didnt come anymore back.

right only 1 land not five but I dont do just waves i do many other things tough.
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12-30-2008 04:51
From: Naiman Broome
2 why mainland lowers and openspace rises?
First, of course, the price of mainland isn't set by Linden Labs, it's set by the people who own the land.

Second, when you rent an OpenSpace you don't get adfarms, landcuts, botfarms, camping holes, spammy clubs, giant toilets, or other mainland nuisances in the parcel next to you.

Third, a big reason for the low price of mainland is the competition from OpenSpaces. They're a more desirable product and they actually cost less per square meter in tier. Even after July the rent on a Homestead region will only pay for the tier on half a region on Mainland.
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12-30-2008 04:56
From: Argent Stonecutter
First, of course, the price of mainland isn't set by Linden Labs, it's set by the people who own the land.

Second, when you rent an OpenSpace you don't get adfarms, landcuts, botfarms, camping holes, spammy clubs, giant toilets, or other mainland nuisances in the parcel next to you.

Third, a big reason for the low price of mainland is the compatition from OpenSpaces. They're a more desirable product and they actually cost less per square meter in tier. Even after July the rent on a Homestead region will only pay for the tier on half a region on Mainland.

lol I should have expanded on amainalnd peninsula may be ....
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12-30-2008 04:59
You could always turn 4 of your Openspaces into 750 prim showcases, and keep the old price.
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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12-30-2008 04:59
The base land price jumped from 3.0 to 3.5 over Christmas, almost a 20% bump!

The credit crunch is over, long live the land bubble!
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12-30-2008 08:54
From: Elanthius Flagstaff
The base land price jumped from 3.0 to 3.5 over Christmas, almost a 20% bump!

The credit crunch is over, long live the land bubble!


Well, maybe.

Though I'm in the same business you're in (admittedly in a very small way only), I don't see the Average Price of Mainland as being of much value as an indicator of the general financial health of Second Life---which, of course, is what that article is trying to claim.

(You may well agree with me on this---I'm just pointing out that the article's premise is very shaky.)

The article tries to imply that the falling price of Mainland 'proves' that Second Life is losing customers. Which is poor logic, since the price of land is demonstrably affected not only by the number of customers (demand), but by the amount of land available (supply). And the supply went up dramatically in 2008, because of the new policy against ad farming (and also by the huge numbers of new islands).

So, yeah: the article's premise is dopey.
Amity Slade
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12-30-2008 12:17
The rise and fall of the Second Life land markets is not the interesting story.

The interesting story would examine why any sane person would spend real money doing business with a company that has a history of arbitrariness, and explicitly states in its terms of service that it reserves the right to screw you over with impunity.