* Kids5B Asylum *

It is a real shame that LL finds something "wrong" with G-rated photos of kid avatars near adults such as their parents, or near beds such as in their own rooms.

The management of Kids5B feels differently.

We think that nice, G-rated photos such as this show much of what is good about SL - family life, warm caring parents, children in good homes - and we really can't understand how anyone could view these wholesome pictures otherwise.

We welcome such photos at Kids5B and will be happy to offer exhibit space for these.

Contact us in-world if you wish

Sacha

show a pic of something rejected so we know exactly what you are talking about.

something like that for exemple http://caledonstrandmag.blogspot.com/"]http://caledonstrandmag.blogspot.com

or any pics shouwing an SLFamilly.

It should be G or PG

Apparently that one has passed muster (see other thread), but perhaps Ceera could post hers?

Mari

you mean the mother and daughter furry in kimono? yeah that would be a prime exsample of what E L banned from SL5B

The very same.

Here is a G-rated pic that was banned from being shown as-is at SL5B...

I was told, by a VERY sympathetic and apologetic volunteer SL5B staff member, that the following G-Rated image is not allowed for display as-is at SL5B. Specifically, it is not allowed because E------ L----- says you can't have ANY image that has an adult and a child avatar in the same image on display at SL5B, regardless of context, no exceptions...



A mother and child, in full-dress Kimonos, clothed from toes to wrist and neck, not touching or even looking at each other... The title of the pic was "Ceera and her SL Daughter, Reisuki. / The Builders of this exhibit."

So... Here is how it will be in my display... They are not "displayed in the same image". And they are separated by fireworks...



Now, the REALLY stupid part of all this? See that two pics in that last example that have two kid furries in them? That is the same two Players, but with Ceera and Reisuki BOTH in child forms... And THAT is allowed... So I can be seen as my daughter's playmate, but not as her mother... Sheesh...

For the record, while I do have a RL daughter, she is not in SL. She's only 12. Reisuki is played by an adult who is old enough in RL that she also has a RL daughter herself. Reisuki's Player is kind enough to let me express a mother's affection and pride in her daughter's accomplishments through a surrogate "child", played by an adult, since that is allowable in SL. Or at least, is allowable anywhere in SL that a certain over-zealous Linden doesn't micro-manage.

My guess is that the Caledon image passed on appeal because it was not actually "avatars" in the image. It's a well-drawn cartoon illustration, done by hand. And a lovely piece of work, I might add.

you're right Ceera, it's a dumb rule.

sounds to me, though, like no one from LL wants to be liable for "objective" decision making, so they made a blanket rule.

From what I understand, it wasn't an appeal. It was more like: people were concerned, and so someone asked: hey, is this okay?

Well, yeah, it was okay. Nuff said.

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It must be human nature. I heard people were *killed* over the Mohammed cartoon drawings, in protests and bombings - come on, how stupid can people be?

That's how high passions seem to run over this stuff.

At the end of the day, this is all over virtual images at a birthday party. Sheesh.


What is worst?

a) fundamentalist mainstream people who are afraid of virtual child-furries

b) the Company reaction to a)

c) the resident reaction to b)

Meanwhile in the news, governors stamping out prostitution in their state are the biggest customers and conservative politicians are propositioning young men in airport bathrooms.


I really wish all of this was handled better. Undue fear of, or undue pandering to, any fringe group just makes things worse.

Whatever happened to just having a normal good time, and if anyone's being creepy, dealing with it as needed?

You are right it is fear of the unknown. And that will maybe never change. But you just can't say, it's a mother and daughter, because it's not. It's not a mother and a daughter, its two grown adults, most likely who have never met, and are of a grown age, one repressing into a child like role playing. That is not a mother and daughter, I am sorry, but it isn't. I am not saying this is good or bad, sure sexualizing children is agreed to be bad, and nobody said anything about that, so this isn't the concern. But you just can't expect everyone to find this to be a normal relationship. You have to wonder why would a grown man or woman want to regress back to a child? And what does that mean to them psychologically, don't just ice over the situation and play dumb.

*You are right, it would be regress. And this maybe my opinion yes, but you may also find it to be the opinion of many. And I am not a conservative person. I am an out gay man, who is considered to be a deviant by most of society. So I should know a few things about life outside the norms. And I find it proposterous that nobody is adressing the real issue and still roleplaying, I suppose.

* My concern is that people expect others to just accept this as a norm, and from what I have seen in my lifetime that is a proposterous assumption to be made.

1) That's your opinion.

2) The word you want is "regress", not "repress".

Actually, no, the issue was specifically about sexualization, born out of hype from the MSM and people such as Congressman Mark Kirk. Quite a great deal has been said about *that,* you may have simply missed it. That the image Ceera was asked to remove or rename is so beyond G rated is a large part of why this is an issue. This is the whole point, the "concern" as it were.

As to the rest of your note.

I found it interesting that you said, in one line, that you're not saying if it is good or bad, yet you imply heavily that this is a negative thing, given your use of the word "normal."

What does this mean to them psychologically? While I have more athan my share of ancedotal evidence -- both my own and from others -- as to the worth of regressive therapy including within Second Life, I also feel you might be reading far more into this than is there.

Would you be so concerned about the normalcy of the image if the tww people in it were two different types of avatars? Would you assume things about the relationships between the two avatars beyond simple roleplaying? Not everyone who opts to play a child in SL is regressing (which I believe is the word you had in mind here) per se, and quiter a few are simply playing a child out of fun, not anything more than that.

Now a question or two for you: why is this important to you? What is your concern with this? The issue of age regression seems to have struck a chord with you. Why?

Mari

I just googled 'G-rated' - I found a pile of gay porn sites.

Why would anyone assume the two furries in kimono's were gay?

I am thinking g-rated means something else too. Care to explain?

"G-Rated" refers to United states film ratings, as enforced by the Motion Picture Association of America. The Categories are G (general audience), PG (parental guidance), PG-13 (parental guidance, no one under 13), NC-17 (No one under the age of 17), R (restricted), and X (no longer used: is now NC-17)

A "G-Rated" film would roughly compare to a "U" or "Uc" rating in England.

From American movie ratings system.

G = approved for 'General' audiences (okay for any age, toddler on up)

PG = parental guidance suggested (okay for any age, as long as accompanied by a responsible adult)

PG-13 = same as above, but may include language, violence, or situations not recommended for anyone under the age of 13

R = explicit language, violence, nudity, etc. but not actual sex (must be 18 or older)

http://www.baddadradio.com/images/mpaa-movie-rating-poster.jpg

Linden Lab's use of "PG" more closely resembles 'G" as defined by the MPAA. And Linden Lab's "Mature" rating, more closely resembles "R" these days (though at one point it was similar to NC-17).

Much of the drama of late, in regards to adult businesses, is the fear that Linden Lab's definition of "Mature" is drifting too close to MPAA's PG-13 or even PG.

What was once allowed "Behind Closed Doors" by the Community Standards. SOME Lindens treat as if such actions/items are forbidden outright.

I have a Kids5B display now, including several g-rated pics that would have not been allowed at the SL5B display.

Ah good, I was hoping Caitlyn got ahold of you. I passed her a few names dis mornin' way early.

Some positive news!

I was talking today with Phaylen Fairchild, who is one of the coordinators for the sim my SL5B display is in, about an unrelated question regarding prim count. She told me in regards to the pic that I had been prohibited from showing earlier "I'd like you to put them back as you had them, with you and your daughter in the same photograph, because it was fine, and i spoke with the lindens about it, and we all agreed it was perfectly acceptable "

I had made no effort to get them to reverse the decision. Phaylen apparently went to bat for me and got them to actually look at my pic and agree that it was perfectly fine to display. Many thanks to her for helping set things right!

Phaylen rocks. She's been a total angel.