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Brenda Connolly

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01-03-2010 08:16

Happy New Year

From: someone

(Jan. 1) – Online gaming offers you a new life: new friends, new face, new clothes, new home, new everything. It sounds like a perfect spot for a someone hiding from the law. But not quite perfect. Two weeks ago, an Indiana sheriff's deputy tracked down a fugitive by first locating him in the online game World of Warcraft, the Kokomo Perspective reports.

http://www.sphere.com/crime/article/indiana-sheriffs-department-patrols-world-of-warcraft/19299798

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Isablan Neva

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01-03-2010 08:27

They would probably not have a choice. Law enforcement can be very...persuasive.

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Qie Niangao

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01-03-2010 08:32

Crap. So my learning the words to "O Canada" and pretending that poutine is a proper foodstuff was all for naught after all.

Happy New Year and welcome back, Brenda!

Liven Landar

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01-03-2010 08:34

I cheer 4 the cops.

Bad boys bad boys...what ya gonna do
what ya gonna do when they cyber for you

Joshooah Lovenkraft

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01-03-2010 08:46

Sure they would, like most online service's privacy policies:

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Except under certain limited circumstances set forth here and in our terms of service posted at http://secondlife.com/corporate/tos.php, Linden Lab does not disclose personal information you provide it to any third parties without your permission. Linden Lab may disclose your personal information if required to do so by law or in the good faith belief that such action is necessary to: (a) conform to the edicts of the law or comply with legal process served on Linden Lab, this web site or any user of Second Life; (b) protect and defend the rights or property of Linden Lab, Second Life or the users of Second Life; or (c) act in urgent circumstances to protect the personal safety of users of this web site, Second Life or the public. In addition, if Linden Lab should ever file for bankruptcy or merge with another company, we may sell the information you provide to us on this site to a third party or share your personal information with any company with whom we merge.

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DancesWithRobots Soyer

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01-03-2010 08:47

Heh. Some people still seem to believe in privacy and anonymity.

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Weston Graves

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01-03-2010 08:50

Parts of this story don't make much sense to me. If he was still on line, why couldn't they track him that way? Was he using an anonymous re-sender or whatever it's called?

If the sheriff was out of his jurisdiction, how can this hold up in court?

Also I wonder what kinds of drug charges. Did the suspect hurt anyone? Was he exposing children to meth or something?

(It's my civic duty to question authority.)

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LittleMe Jewell

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01-03-2010 09:32

From: Weston Graves

Parts of this story don't make much sense to me. If he was still on line, why couldn't they track him that way? Was he using an anonymous re-sender or whatever it's called?

If the sheriff was out of his jurisdiction, how can this hold up in court?

Also I wonder what kinds of drug charges. Did the suspect hurt anyone? Was he exposing children to meth or something?

(It's my civic duty to question authority.)

.

It does say that the sheriff had figured out he was out of the country. That right there can limit a lot of normal searching activities. Then when he got info that indicated the guy was playing WoW, he went to Blizzard with the subpoena. That part would work fine because Blizzard is a US company.

As far as arresting and extraditing the man, law enforcement and/or the court system will have to work with Canada for that. Though there is also the possibility of using one of those guys that will basically kidnap a suspect and drag them back to the US - but normally that is only used in countries where we have little chance of extradition working.

Usually the only drug charges that anyone cares to pursue for long periods have to do with distributing large amounts of drugs and/or making them and/or importing them.

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01-03-2010 12:03

add to that most US states (let alone different countries) won't bother with extradition for anything less than felony offenses.... with drug charges that would definitely be distribution. misdemeanors are so common it'd just flood the system and cost more than it's worth for local authorities to bother with something that happened outside of their jurisdiction.

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Ceka Cianci

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01-03-2010 13:09

I had a friend that had been taken one night from a party we were at..the police took him to the jail house and called the town which was 4 towns away to come and get him..they said they were not going to come get him that night ..so the police let him go and all the charges get dropped i guess if they don't come and pick you up..so about 1 1/2 hours later he was back at the party telling us all of this..lol

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01-03-2010 18:13

From: Qie Niangao

Crap. So my learning the words to "O Canada" and pretending that poutine is a proper foodstuff was all for naught after all.

Happy New Year and welcome back, Brenda!

I don't know about poutine being a 'proper' foodstuff - but it tasted pretty damn good!

Inc

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Elric Anatine

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01-04-2010 05:54

From: Qie Niangao

Crap. So my learning the words to "O Canada" and pretending that poutine is a proper foodstuff was all for naught after all.

Happy New Year and welcome back, Brenda!

But... but... poutine IS a proper foodstuff! All your food groups are covered -- especially if you add ketchup!

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Micheal Moonlight

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01-04-2010 06:29

The best part of that arrest is if you read the articles, they didn't even serve a warrant to blizzard, they just sent a casual email asking if they might help out... and after a few months got a reply of the players location, avatar names, most common server played on, and ip address.

Joshooah Lovenkraft

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01-04-2010 06:33

From: Micheal Moonlight

The best part of that arrest is if you read the articles, they didn't even serve a warrant to blizzard, they just sent a casual email asking if they might help out... and after a few months got a reply of the players location, avatar names, most common server played on, and ip address.

I believe they subpoenaed the information:

"None of that information was sound enough to pursue on its own, but putting everything we had together gave me enough evidence to send a subpoena to Blizzard Entertainment," Roberson told the Kokomo Perspective. "I knew exactly what he was playing – World of Warcraft. I used to play it. It's one of the largest online games in the world."

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Melita Magic

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01-04-2010 10:16

Weston: They must've gotten info that he was in WoW and which character he was. From there, they could verify when he was online, and presumably therefore at home. Or perhaps even trace where he was logging in from.

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Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	01-03-2010 08:16 Happy New Year From: someone (Jan. 1) – Online gaming offers you a new life: new friends, new face, new clothes, new home, new everything. It sounds like a perfect spot for a someone hiding from the law. But not quite perfect. Two weeks ago, an Indiana sheriff's deputy tracked down a fugitive by first locating him in the online game World of Warcraft, the Kokomo Perspective reports. http://www.sphere.com/crime/article/indiana-sheriffs-department-patrols-world-of-warcraft/19299798 _____________________ Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen. http://brenda-connolly.blogspot.com
Isablan Neva Mystic Join date: 27 Nov 2004 Posts: 2,907	01-03-2010 08:27 They would probably not have a choice. Law enforcement can be very...persuasive. _____________________ http://slurl.com/secondlife/TheBotanicalGardens/207/30/420/
Qie Niangao Coin-operated Join date: 24 May 2006 Posts: 7,138	01-03-2010 08:32 Crap. So my learning the words to "O Canada" and pretending that poutine is a proper foodstuff was all for naught after all. Happy New Year and welcome back, Brenda!
Liven Landar Registered User Join date: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 5	01-03-2010 08:34 I cheer 4 the cops. Bad boys bad boys...what ya gonna do what ya gonna do when they cyber for you
Joshooah Lovenkraft Just Joshin' Join date: 28 Dec 2007 Posts: 1,376	01-03-2010 08:46 Sure they would, like most online service's privacy policies: From: SL Privacy Policy Except under certain limited circumstances set forth here and in our terms of service posted at http://secondlife.com/corporate/tos.php, Linden Lab does not disclose personal information you provide it to any third parties without your permission. Linden Lab may disclose your personal information if required to do so by law or in the good faith belief that such action is necessary to: (a) conform to the edicts of the law or comply with legal process served on Linden Lab, this web site or any user of Second Life; (b) protect and defend the rights or property of Linden Lab, Second Life or the users of Second Life; or (c) act in urgent circumstances to protect the personal safety of users of this web site, Second Life or the public. In addition, if Linden Lab should ever file for bankruptcy or merge with another company, we may sell the information you provide to us on this site to a third party or share your personal information with any company with whom we merge. _____________________ Hello Avatard - Your Emporium of Fun Stuff In-world: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fordham/178/19/63 Xstreet: https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&MerchantID=103499
DancesWithRobots Soyer Registered User Join date: 7 Apr 2006 Posts: 701	01-03-2010 08:47 Heh. Some people still seem to believe in privacy and anonymity. Happy goldfish bowl to you all! _____________________ "Two lives I have. One life I live. One life I dream. In dreams I remember the better in me."
Weston Graves Werebeagle Join date: 24 Mar 2007 Posts: 2,059	01-03-2010 08:50 Parts of this story don't make much sense to me. If he was still on line, why couldn't they track him that way? Was he using an anonymous re-sender or whatever it's called? If the sheriff was out of his jurisdiction, how can this hold up in court? Also I wonder what kinds of drug charges. Did the suspect hurt anyone? Was he exposing children to meth or something? (It's my civic duty to question authority.) . _____________________ Goodbye for now from human Weston, beagle Weston, and Keyboard Guy. Best of both lives to you all.
LittleMe Jewell ........... Join date: 8 Oct 2007 Posts: 11,319	01-03-2010 09:32 From: Weston Graves Parts of this story don't make much sense to me. If he was still on line, why couldn't they track him that way? Was he using an anonymous re-sender or whatever it's called? If the sheriff was out of his jurisdiction, how can this hold up in court? Also I wonder what kinds of drug charges. Did the suspect hurt anyone? Was he exposing children to meth or something? (It's my civic duty to question authority.) . It does say that the sheriff had figured out he was out of the country. That right there can limit a lot of normal searching activities. Then when he got info that indicated the guy was playing WoW, he went to Blizzard with the subpoena. That part would work fine because Blizzard is a US company. As far as arresting and extraditing the man, law enforcement and/or the court system will have to work with Canada for that. Though there is also the possibility of using one of those guys that will basically kidnap a suspect and drag them back to the US - but normally that is only used in countries where we have little chance of extradition working. Usually the only drug charges that anyone cares to pursue for long periods have to do with distributing large amounts of drugs and/or making them and/or importing them. _____________________ ♥♥♥ -Lil Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it? ~Mark Twain~ Optimism is denial, so face the facts and move on. ♥♥♥ Lil's Yard Sale / Inventory Cleanout: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Triggerfish/52/27/22 . http://www.flickr.com/photos/littleme_jewell
Void Singer Int vSelf = Sing(void); Join date: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 6,973	01-03-2010 12:03 add to that most US states (let alone different countries) won't bother with extradition for anything less than felony offenses.... with drug charges that would definitely be distribution. misdemeanors are so common it'd just flood the system and cost more than it's worth for local authorities to bother with something that happened outside of their jurisdiction. _____________________ \| \| . "Cat-Like Typing Detected" \| . This post may contain errors in logic, spelling, and \| . grammar known to the SL populace to cause confusion \| \| - Please Use PHP tags when posting scripts/code, Thanks. \| - Can't See PHP or URL Tags Correctly? Check Out This Link... \| -
Ceka Cianci SuperPremiumExcaliburAcc# Join date: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 4,489	01-03-2010 13:09 I had a friend that had been taken one night from a party we were at..the police took him to the jail house and called the town which was 4 towns away to come and get him..they said they were not going to come get him that night ..so the police let him go and all the charges get dropped i guess if they don't come and pick you up..so about 1 1/2 hours later he was back at the party telling us all of this..lol _____________________ Free Your Mind http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceka_cianci/
Incanus Merlin Not User Serviceable Join date: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 583	01-03-2010 18:13 From: Qie Niangao Crap. So my learning the words to "O Canada" and pretending that poutine is a proper foodstuff was all for naught after all. Happy New Year and welcome back, Brenda! I don't know about poutine being a 'proper' foodstuff - but it tasted pretty damn good! Inc _____________________ "The wide world is all about you; you can fence yourself in, but you cannot for ever fence it out" - Gildor Inglorion, LOTR
Elric Anatine Full Lunar Alchemist Join date: 27 Feb 2007 Posts: 381	01-04-2010 05:54 From: Qie Niangao Crap. So my learning the words to "O Canada" and pretending that poutine is a proper foodstuff was all for naught after all. Happy New Year and welcome back, Brenda! But... but... poutine IS a proper foodstuff! All your food groups are covered -- especially if you add ketchup! _____________________ Elric Anatine http://slurl.com/secondlife/Alkahest/128/128/652 +Distinguished Aesthetics+ - unabashed commentary & reviews by a gentleman of the grid - http://www.sge-sl.com/elric_anatine/ +Apothecary & Home+ http://slurl.com/secondlife/Syzygy%20Selene/134/171/39
Micheal Moonlight Registered User Join date: 4 Sep 2005 Posts: 197	01-04-2010 06:29 The best part of that arrest is if you read the articles, they didn't even serve a warrant to blizzard, they just sent a casual email asking if they might help out... and after a few months got a reply of the players location, avatar names, most common server played on, and ip address.
Joshooah Lovenkraft Just Joshin' Join date: 28 Dec 2007 Posts: 1,376	01-04-2010 06:33 From: Micheal Moonlight The best part of that arrest is if you read the articles, they didn't even serve a warrant to blizzard, they just sent a casual email asking if they might help out... and after a few months got a reply of the players location, avatar names, most common server played on, and ip address. I believe they subpoenaed the information: "None of that information was sound enough to pursue on its own, but putting everything we had together gave me enough evidence to send a subpoena to Blizzard Entertainment," Roberson told the Kokomo Perspective. "I knew exactly what he was playing – World of Warcraft. I used to play it. It's one of the largest online games in the world." _____________________ Hello Avatard - Your Emporium of Fun Stuff In-world: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fordham/178/19/63 Xstreet: https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&MerchantID=103499
Melita Magic On my own terms. Join date: 5 Jun 2008 Posts: 2,253	01-04-2010 10:16 Weston: They must've gotten info that he was in WoW and which character he was. From there, they could verify when he was online, and presumably therefore at home. Or perhaps even trace where he was logging in from. _____________________ "Every time you help a newbie, an angel gets its wings." - from some movie or other...

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