Advice on pricing

Hello all,
I have just had an interesting question asked of me. An owner of a new shop has asked to purchase a fat pack of one of my clothing items with full perm to use as free gifts within her sales of skins and shapes. I have not usually done fat packs, let alone full perm fat packs, and am at a loss in three areas:

1. How do you set a fair price on a regular fat pack?

2. How much does that price go up if it is now a full perm fat pack?

and 3. What considerations do I need to keep in mind if I "contract" with her to do so?
(I have thought of "NO separate sales of my items at all." "NO giving them out randomly - must be in the sales vendor with the item." "Can only be given out as 'No transfer' or 'No copy' items in her sales vendor."

or is this even reasonable? or is there a better option here?

Thanks for you help.

It may be my on mistrust, but I would not do it. Maybe if it were for a friend I had known for a long time but not for someone with a new shop and not a fat pack will full perms. No way.

1) Fat packs usually reduce the price by part or all of the cost of 1 item in it, though some will knock off a bit more.

2) IF you decide to go this route, I would probably bump the fat pack price by at least 100 times and possibly more. However, I probably would refuse this unless you do not care if your items end up being sold by her, or copied, or end up on the grid as mass full perm freebies.

3) You can state all the conditions you want, but if she has them full perm she can do as she wishes.


An alternative is for her to simply let you put the items out, rotating them as she wishes, and charge her some nominal fee (nominal cuz you are getting more exposure this way). She still gets the additional traffic.

Don't give it out full perm.

An option would be to allow you to place your item and set the perms you wish for next customer.

My gut kept telling me to leave it alone...or to give her a few Transfer only coupons that she can give out that send them to me. She was wanting my clothing because I am "Goddess Apparel" and she is putting out a goddess line of skins.

I wouldn't do it. You could consider setting out the items yourself so that you can be sure the permissions are set correctly. I dunno, giving out full perm items are kinda like saying "I love you". Once you do it, it's pretty much impossible to take it back.

You might consider a trade. If she is willing to give you a full perms skin line to hand out as gifts to your group it would go a long way to building some trust. There is some synergy that could be captured by working together but damn, the risk is high.

Take the time you spent working on the product.

Multiply that by a professional short-term rate per hour, at least US$60, probably more. What you'd accept for a custom contracting job under "work for hire" rules.

Convert that into Lindens.

That's the upper limit that it would be reasonable to charge. Below that, let your conscience be hour guide.

That's a really good suggestion.

Do NOT sell full perm copies of your products - they WILL end up in freebie bins or resold on a mass scale. So what if she wants to give gifts - let her buy the number of fat packs she needs, but make the fat pack items ALL either mod/copy and no transfer or mod no copy and transfer. I recommend mod/copy no transfer, or even NO modify, yes copy, no transfer.

This really makes me suspicious to tell you the truth. Don't do it.

Sell her 10 fat packs if that is what she needs, or 100, or whatever. Giving them out endlessly is b.s. As for pricing, take 30% off each fatpack from what it would be separately. If they order 50, 100 fat packs or more, maybe take 50% off the price.

If that isn't good enough for them, tell them they can stuff it. Politely, of course.

(I would not do a trade either. Can you trust a brand new business owner with your entire product line? Shapes are not THAT rare, and her skins might be Eloh based. Would the trade be equal in value and risk? Based on what you posted, I'd say no, just discount the price and sell it with your regular permissions.)

Thank you so much for all of your input. You have had some great insights. I will find some option to doing this without giving away my hard work.

i agree about not giving it away full perm for any price unless that was your original intention for the product. when someone comes to me and asks me for a copy version of my products which are priced pretty low, i generally take the original cost and multiply it by 50 or 100 to arrive at the copy version price. i try to cut them a deal on a large number of the items but even offering something as copy allows them to make unlimited copies so i want to be compensated for the loss of revenue had they not had the option to buy a copy version and instead had to by that huge number at my normal price. hope that makes sense lol.

Get a giftcard system and hand out cards -- if they are that interested in your work. No reason to give away the farm anymore when the issue can be solved with a small investment on your part that continually adds value to your store.

I was going to do a giftcard system, then I realized I would have to script every vendor box in the store...and with my luck, parcel script limitations would be along a day or so after I got done.

you have to be careful with a lot of those giftcard systems as a few of them have been hacked. i know a few people that have abandoned them because of that.

You could do it the manual way like I do. Everything I sell over 30L$ has a gift card in the pack. They vary from 10L$ to 100L$ depending on the price of the item they are buying. People can collect them and then send me a notecard with the collected gift cards to redeem them against something in store. I've been doing this for quite some time and it seems to work well, although if you get lots of requests it could become hard work.

Athene - echoing all the others saying no - NO - your creations are fantastic- you do not need this - do not give up ur control even for an instant -

If she gives them to this new store owner as no-transfer, then the new store owner can't give them out as gifts. If she gives them as no-copy, then the store owner can give them out as gifts, but then things get messy. In reality, giving them out as full-perm, and trusting the store owner to set the proper permissions at her end is the only viable - albeit extremely risky - option. It's a risk most texture designers take constantly.

That said -- doing such a thing requires an enormous amount of trust that this store owner will do the right thing. Requiring a full-perm fat-pack of one of her products may help establish trust. In the end, however - I assume she is a clothing designer with a fairly large portfolio of clothing designs, and we are only talking about one product here. She needs to decide if losing control of that particular product is worth the exposure and potential increase in sales that this deal could provide her, based on an appraisal of how much damage she could incur to her business if this one product got loose. For most large designers, the damage should be minimal, and the benefits may outweigh the risks.