What in the world are the uses for such things? I see them all the time. What are they supposed to do? I see one that tracks 4 sims at once as well as a list of AVs. Some of them record chat, actions, and etc., even on land you don't own. That's pretty f***ed up if you ask me. Peeping Tom stuff.
How do you know if you are being tracked by someone or a device, your actions are being recorded, your chat records too , and really, essentially, if you are being BUSHED (appropriate credit given to George W.).
*shudders thinking about creepy people cutting peepholes into my (virtual) walls*
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Markham Weatherwax
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03-25-2008 18:12
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Dekka Raymaker
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03-25-2008 18:14
spy devices are used for spying, sim trackers are used for track sim activity, av trackers are used for tracking avs.
*shudders thinking about creepy people cutting peepholes into my (virtual) walls* you can just camera inside, no need to waste time cutting holes (worries that reply infers I am creepy) |
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Claire Silverspar
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03-26-2008 04:58
I think they are used by PIs or those who wish to spy/stalk others. Wanting to know if you are being cheated....stuff like that. Same reasons as people use them in RL.
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Eve Drechsler
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03-26-2008 05:55
In my experience they are used by paranoid people who need to get a grip. Some people may have a legitimate reason for using them, but I can't think of one right now.
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
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03-26-2008 06:20
Very early on there was a guy who simply seemed to know everything which was happening with me. He told me I could come live for free on his beautiful island - there was a catch though, I could "have friends" but it was clear he didn't like the idea. He used to turn up to "give me a hug".
He knew everything about me, it seemed. Then I looked on SLX when I first discovered it, saw chat spies and greenie that I was the light went on. I made sure to talk only in IM about anything dear to me whilst still working in the club (I had the crazy idea of paying my way through SL without the card ... how sweet ... how stupid, given my prim addiction). There's NO legitimate use for these items IMO. The only possible one was seeing what customer reaction was to a build I made - I wished I hadn't as all it did was flag up that my ex was taking credit for my work and cause an argument (at which point it got deleted from my inv and my lesson was learned). _____________________
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MoxZ Mokeev
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03-26-2008 07:23
I've read that it is possible to find "some" of these items. Mysti tool has some sort of identification I believe, but don't quote me on that. Most chat loggers are an attachment to your avatar. If you are as equally paranoid as the people who use these items must be, try highlighting transparent and give yourself a good scan over. If you see something suspicious, right click and edit to figure out what it is. If you're concerned about someone who lives in your sl home...look for new items put in the house. A clock radio comes to mind that I've seen on the market.
Yeah, I agree. It's pretty creepy to think that there are people who would do this. I've actually had an ex boyfriend bug my phones once in RL. I found his contraption and took a sledgehammer to it, and left it there for him to find. _____________________
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Somatika Xiao
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03-26-2008 07:49
as a store owner it is always good to know where people are.
By this I mean sim tracker can be good to help me the store creator optimize the store for better effect on customers. I can see however why stores / clubs / public spaces would have some sort of chat recording. This could be useful to end disputes , always sure about the person you are about to ban. Those are legitimate uses, only recording non identifiable info should be the only thing recorded. Although I do not record chat, just how many avatars are where & when, not there name, not there key. Peace, ~Soma _____________________
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Smoke Gordonstone
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03-26-2008 09:17
I had a gadget freak move into the sim where I live. He set up a tower with a bunch of those sim scanners, AV trackers...all that stuff with the neon colored moving lights and floating text above it. I have a 5 minute auto return on my land, but everytime I would check my objects there was always one prim owned by this guy on my land, even if I sent it back or auto return sent it back another one would come back a few minutes later. It drove me nuts, I never banned anyone before but I did to this guy, just to keep his objects from rezzing. The sim seemed to really slow down when this guy came in also. He ended up only staying for about a month, then I bought his land...so it all worked out.
Kind of on the same topic....I love my AV radar on my mysti-tool, but didn't it used to scan 96m? It seems since I got the new update it only scans 20m. I don't know if I'm just having a memory lapse, maybe it always was 20m, or maybe there is a setting in there I changed accidentally....or need to change to put it back to 96m. Anyone know? |
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
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03-26-2008 09:27
I had a gadget freak move into the sim where I live. He set up a tower with a bunch of those sim scanners, AV trackers...all that stuff with the neon colored moving lights and floating text above it. I have a 5 minute auto return on my land, but everytime I would check my objects there was always one prim owned by this guy on my land, even if I sent it back or auto return sent it back another one would come back a few minutes later. It drove me nuts, I never banned anyone before but I did to this guy, just to keep his objects from rezzing. The sim seemed to really slow down when this guy came in also. He ended up only staying for about a month, then I bought his land...so it all worked out. Kind of on the same topic....I love my AV radar on my mysti-tool, but didn't it used to scan 96m? It seems since I got the new update it only scans 20m. I don't know if I'm just having a memory lapse, maybe it always was 20m, or maybe there is a setting in there I changed accidentally....or need to change to put it back to 96m. Anyone know? It still does ... you need to select it tho. At work, so not on SL but IM me if you still need help in an hour  _____________________
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
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03-26-2008 09:28
I've read that it is possible to find "some" of these items. Mysti tool has some sort of identification I believe, but don't quote me on that. Most chat loggers are an attachment to your avatar. If you are as equally paranoid as the people who use these items must be, try highlighting transparent and give yourself a good scan over. If you see something suspicious, right click and edit to figure out what it is. If you're concerned about someone who lives in your sl home...look for new items put in the house. A clock radio comes to mind that I've seen on the market. Yeah, I agree. It's pretty creepy to think that there are people who would do this. I've actually had an ex boyfriend bug my phones once in RL. I found his contraption and took a sledgehammer to it, and left it there for him to find. Sorry to hear you had that experience, but I like your style of dealing with it! _____________________
To exchange power is sublime. To steal from another ... well, what goes around comes around.
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Perwin Rambler
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03-26-2008 09:46
The only logical use for a chat spy is for the one reason I built one. For SW role play. If not used in a role play game system then I think they are rather creepy.
I know of stories about such use and would never think of using one in day to day SL. But as has been said, some are paranoid. If you think your are being "spied" on, you can do a couple things. Under View in the top menu you can turn on beacons for scripted items, and possibly physical items. Make sure to make beacons visable, after that have a look around , move around, see if anything follows you. A chat scanner must be within 20 meters of you to hear normal text chat. AV scanner has MANY uses, in RP or outside of it. However these can at best say how far away you are or show a relative position. Some doors use such AV scans to open and close, as an example. It would be nice if LL made a function to do a llDetectSensor(range). Then you can script a scanner to look for scanners  Now if these items are on a AV the best I think you can do is have a script scan that AV and report if they are wearing a scripted object or not. |
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Morgaine Christensen
Empress of the Universe
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03-26-2008 10:44
The only logical use for a chat spy is for the one reason I built one. For SW role play. If not used in a role play game system then I think they are rather creepy. . Why would a chat spy be built for RP? To me, it would sorta defeat the creative storylines and the suspense of the unknown if you have a chat spy out. I have seen chat spies record RP and ruin the storyline so carefully built by players. I have also been spied upon personally, the chat recorded, and some pretty serious threats made by the person recording the chat. It was not a pleasant experience at all and ruined a very good friendship. Recording chat without consent is an invasion of privacy even if that chat is posted in general. Permission from all parties has to be granted when/if chat is recorded. Chat spies are a form of electronic surveillance, which is illegal. SL TOS 4.1 You agree to abide by certain rules of conduct, including the Community Standards and other rules prohibiting illegal and other practices that Linden Lab deems harmful. (iv) take any action or upload, post, e-mail or otherwise transmit Content as determined by Linden Lab at its sole discretion that is harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, causes tort, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable; SL Community Standards Disclosure Residents are entitled to a reasonable level of privacy with regard to their Second Life experience. Sharing personal information about a fellow Resident --including gender, religion, age, marital status, race, sexual preference, and real-world location beyond what is provided by the Resident in the First Life page of their Resident profile is a violation of that Resident's privacy. Remotely monitoring conversations, posting conversation logs, or sharing conversation logs without consent are all prohibited in Second Life and on the Second Life Forums. National Conference of State Legistlators article on ElectronicS urveillance ((http://www.ncsl.org/programs/press/2002/issues/surveillance.htm "It is illegal in all 50 states to record a conversation to which you are not a party, do not have consent to tape and could not naturally overhear (eavesdropping), with certain exceptions for law enforcement agencies or officials))" |
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Ricardo Harris
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03-26-2008 10:58
If I were to guess I would say besides the creators of these type products, females would be next in knowing all about these items as they tend to use them more then men to spy on their guys for fear of being cheated on.
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Kira Cuddihy
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03-26-2008 11:06
If I were to guess I would say besides the creators of these type products, females would be next in knowing all about these items as they tend to use them more then men to spy on their guys for fear of being cheated on. No? men cheat, ohhh noooooo _____________________
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Ricardo Harris
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03-26-2008 11:13
men cheat, ohhh noooooo Wonder why women think men do? This mistrust is unwarranted. |
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Morgaine Christensen
Empress of the Universe
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03-26-2008 11:16
If I were to guess I would say besides the creators of these type products, females would be next in knowing all about these items as they tend to use them more then men to spy on their guys for fear of being cheated on. No? I have no clue if males or females use it more. I know in my situation, I was spied upon two different times in SL; first time it was by a female and2nd time by a male. To me, if it comes to the point where people think their significant other is cheating on them, then it is time to seriously reevaluate that relationship. Spying on another person is just wrong RL or SL. |
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Isabeau Imako
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03-26-2008 11:34
If people want to spy on me, I really don't care. Go right ahead. If they should ever become a bother (showing up and following me, etc), I would just mute them - whether they were spying on me or not. I have no patience for disrespect.
My ex once read my mail. He couldn't understand the language very well and thought I was having an affair because he read the words 'love' among others... It was a letter from my mother. Couldn't mute him (RL), but he certainly was 'banned' from my life. _____________________
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Perwin Rambler
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agreed
03-26-2008 12:42
I can not agree with the bottom quote more, except, there is a use if parties and sim owners agree to it. You experienced both a poor player and poor RP, sorry. However, such spy devices are used in Star Wars universe and for such bounty hunters, spies, other seedy characters.
So if used for Proper RP it is a useful tool, do not get me wrong, so would someone pretending to use one and having the said character send chat logs to them (cutting out anything not needed ) You do not need to quote TOS to me, I fully understand it and have never used my creation to date. I also do not play Star Wars RP any longer. Why would a chat spy be built for RP? To me, it would sorta defeat the creative storylines and the suspense of the unknown if you have a chat spy out. I have seen chat spies record RP and ruin the storyline so carefully built by players. I have also been spied upon personally, the chat recorded, and some pretty serious threats made by the person recording the chat. It was not a pleasant experience at all and ruined a very good friendship. Recording chat without consent is an invasion of privacy even if that chat is posted in general. Permission from all parties has to be granted when/if chat is recorded. Chat spies are a form of electronic surveillance, which is illegal. SL TOS 4.1 You agree to abide by certain rules of conduct, including the Community Standards and other rules prohibiting illegal and other practices that Linden Lab deems harmful. (iv) take any action or upload, post, e-mail or otherwise transmit Content as determined by Linden Lab at its sole discretion that is harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, causes tort, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable; SL Community Standards Disclosure Residents are entitled to a reasonable level of privacy with regard to their Second Life experience. Sharing personal information about a fellow Resident --including gender, religion, age, marital status, race, sexual preference, and real-world location beyond what is provided by the Resident in the First Life page of their Resident profile is a violation of that Resident's privacy. Remotely monitoring conversations, posting conversation logs, or sharing conversation logs without consent are all prohibited in Second Life and on the Second Life Forums. National Conference of State Legistlators article on ElectronicS urveillance ((http://www.ncsl.org/programs/press/2002/issues/surveillance.htm "It is illegal in all 50 states to record a conversation to which you are not a party, do not have consent to tape and could not naturally overhear (eavesdropping), with certain exceptions for law enforcement agencies or officials))" |
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Morgaine Alter
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03-26-2008 14:37
I think it was yesterday that I found a radar placed on my property it was a little one too. I returned it to the owner,which I know. I think it was a radar? Anyway thats just weird what purpose would it serve them?
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