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Desmond Shang

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04-07-2008 14:12

I heard that the new Havok 4 regions have eliminated the 'orbit' capability that Havok 1 had.

Just curious - my only experience with orbiting was just once when I was visiting Mystical Cookie, and was dumb enough to press a big red button that said "DO NOT PRESS" on her land.

Has this curious part of the SL experience gone by the wayside?

Any truth to it, any exceptions? Please respond here, do not show me by example please...

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Sindy Tsure

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04-07-2008 14:13

/me would clap, clap loudly, if this was true.

Ordinal Malaprop

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04-07-2008 14:14

There are a few different mechanisms - I would be surprised if all of them had been eliminated. In fact, given that Havok 4 has better physics performance, some of them I can see should actually work _better_ - the ones that weren't purely based on hacks, in any case.

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Cristalle Karami

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04-07-2008 14:15

I dunno, Des - I think I go into orbit when I take off flying at high altitudes. It just doesn't stop!! It's a slow orbit, I don't see why we wouldn't be able to orbit someone.

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Colette Meiji

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04-07-2008 14:18

From: Desmond Shang

Just curious - my only experience with orbiting was just once when I was visiting Mystical Cookie, and was dumb enough to press a big red button that said "DO NOT PRESS" on her land.

But it said "Do Not Press" !!

LOL

MoxZ Mokeev

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04-07-2008 14:25

Hmmm.....Note to self...give partner the tin foil hat to try on tonight....

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Har Fairweather

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04-07-2008 14:25

Low orbits that are fairly easy to return from still seem to be possible. The orbits that sent you billions of meters away were based on an exploit of Havok1 that has been eliminated in Havok4 - the low orbits do not depend on them.

There are, however, other methods. The good news is, there will probably be a grace period before they percolate down to the grief-kiddies that are 90% of the griefing nuisance in SL.

The serious griefers are another matter. We shall see about those.

And of course, there are always ways to grief. Being orbited is discombobulating, but there are worse things, and probably always will be - unfortunately.

Ordinal Malaprop

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Join date: 9 Sep 2005

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04-07-2008 14:31

Indeed, orbiting is really mostly a competition between scripters. It doesn't really matter a lot whether one is suddenly a thousand metres high or ten million metres high; either way it is briefly irritating, requiring a teleport or perhaps relog, but then one returns and sits on something.

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Phreak Flow

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04-07-2008 14:31

You can use SLPROXY to edit the Teleport packet and send ppl 2 billion meters up and this does seem to crash the viewer after a few moments, but the person would have to accept your 'teleport' offer in order to do this.

I've also seen scripted object that if you sit on them, will send you far far far away and crash you. but again this is something you have to 'choose' to do, i.e. sit on it.....

im sure someone will make a h4 Blitz/er/orbit/er soon for us to play with

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shiney Sprocket

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04-07-2008 14:33

It stops the orbits that are caused by the hollowed, dimpled, cut spheres that would go insane. Often called a Blitz I believe.

Yosef Okelly

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04-07-2008 14:38

From: Desmond Shang

I heard that the new Havok 4 regions have eliminated the 'orbit' capability that Havok 1 had.

I have heard this but I have not verified it one way or the other. But I can in about an hour. I'll find someone to orbit me and/or toss me when I log in.

Shelby Demonge

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04-07-2008 14:58

My sister who is new to SL got orbited this morning. Let me just say if it wasn't an official "Orbit" a gnat could starve on the difference.

Desmond Shang

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04-07-2008 15:16

Well. It will be interesting to see how far people can go (figuratively? literally?) with these things.

I guess I'm about as lost as before - though one doesn't really need to send my avatar anywhere to annoy me for annoyance's sake.

Generally a few well-crafted lines of chat will do the job just fine...

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Yosef Okelly

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04-07-2008 15:42

Rioko and I just tried toorbit each other with the MystiTool at the hangout just now. Nothing.

I did not try a toss because she is in a mermaid AV and i would hate to have messed up her scripted attachments.

BTW, she looks just as fine as a mermaid as she does in human form

Gabriele Graves

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04-07-2008 16:32

From: Har Fairweather

Low orbits that are fairly easy to return from still seem to be possible. The orbits that sent you billions of meters away were based on an exploit of Havok1 that has been eliminated in Havok4 - the low orbits do not depend on them.

There are, however, other methods. The good news is, there will probably be a grace period before they percolate down to the grief-kiddies that are 90% of the griefing nuisance in SL.

The serious griefers are another matter. We shall see about those.

And of course, there are always ways to grief. Being orbited is discombobulating, but there are worse things, and probably always will be - unfortunately.

discombobulating...This is my candidate for word of the week

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What about Self-Worn Deruthers?

04-07-2008 16:50

I have a copy of a self-worn deruther that I use often because kid avatars usually have this bug that stretches us into odball shapes with short arms and legs. (>_<

Basically what it did was orbit me to 900M then drop me back down in just about a second or two. Now, in H4, I can fly faster than my deruther. Is there something reversible that can still force me up 900M in a split second that I can attach to myself? (o.o)

I already know about the sittable rocket, but that doesn't help in no-script no-build areas. (>_<

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Is it still possible to 'orbit' an avatar?
Desmond Shang Guvnah of Caledon Join date: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 5,250	04-07-2008 14:12 I heard that the new Havok 4 regions have eliminated the 'orbit' capability that Havok 1 had. Just curious - my only experience with orbiting was just once when I was visiting Mystical Cookie, and was dumb enough to press a big red button that said "DO NOT PRESS" on her land. Has this curious part of the SL experience gone by the wayside? Any truth to it, any exceptions? Please respond here, do not show me by example please... _____________________ Steampunk Victorian, Well-Mannered Caledon!
Sindy Tsure Will script for shoes Join date: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 4,103	04-07-2008 14:13 /me would clap, clap loudly, if this was true.
Ordinal Malaprop really very ordinary Join date: 9 Sep 2005 Posts: 4,607	04-07-2008 14:14 There are a few different mechanisms - I would be surprised if all of them had been eliminated. In fact, given that Havok 4 has better physics performance, some of them I can see should actually work _better_ - the ones that weren't purely based on hacks, in any case. _____________________ http://ordinalmalaprop.com/forum/ - visit Ordinal's Scripting Colloquium for scripting discussion with actual working BBCode! http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/ - An Engine Fit For My Proceeding, my Aethernet Journal http://www.flickr.com/groups/slgriefbuild/ - Second Life Griefbuild Digest, pictures of horrible ad griefing and land spam, and the naming of names
Cristalle Karami Lady of the House Join date: 4 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,222	04-07-2008 14:15 I dunno, Des - I think I go into orbit when I take off flying at high altitudes. It just doesn't stop!! It's a slow orbit, I don't see why we wouldn't be able to orbit someone. _____________________ Affordable & beautiful apartments & homes starting at 150L/wk! Waterfront homes, 575L/wk & 300 prims! House of Cristalle low prim prefabs: secondlife://Cristalle/111/60 http://cristalleproperties.info http://careeningcristalle.blogspot.com - Careening, A SL Sailing Blog
Colette Meiji Registered User Join date: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 15,556	04-07-2008 14:18 From: Desmond Shang Just curious - my only experience with orbiting was just once when I was visiting Mystical Cookie, and was dumb enough to press a big red button that said "DO NOT PRESS" on her land. But it said "Do Not Press" !! LOL
MoxZ Mokeev Invisible Alpha Texture Join date: 10 Jan 2008 Posts: 870	04-07-2008 14:25 Hmmm.....Note to self...give partner the tin foil hat to try on tonight.... _____________________
Har Fairweather Registered User Join date: 24 Jan 2007 Posts: 2,320	04-07-2008 14:25 Low orbits that are fairly easy to return from still seem to be possible. The orbits that sent you billions of meters away were based on an exploit of Havok1 that has been eliminated in Havok4 - the low orbits do not depend on them. There are, however, other methods. The good news is, there will probably be a grace period before they percolate down to the grief-kiddies that are 90% of the griefing nuisance in SL. The serious griefers are another matter. We shall see about those. And of course, there are always ways to grief. Being orbited is discombobulating, but there are worse things, and probably always will be - unfortunately.
Ordinal Malaprop really very ordinary Join date: 9 Sep 2005 Posts: 4,607	04-07-2008 14:31 Indeed, orbiting is really mostly a competition between scripters. It doesn't really matter a lot whether one is suddenly a thousand metres high or ten million metres high; either way it is briefly irritating, requiring a teleport or perhaps relog, but then one returns and sits on something. _____________________ http://ordinalmalaprop.com/forum/ - visit Ordinal's Scripting Colloquium for scripting discussion with actual working BBCode! http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/ - An Engine Fit For My Proceeding, my Aethernet Journal http://www.flickr.com/groups/slgriefbuild/ - Second Life Griefbuild Digest, pictures of horrible ad griefing and land spam, and the naming of names
Phreak Flow Registered User Join date: 28 Aug 2007 Posts: 35	04-07-2008 14:31 You can use SLPROXY to edit the Teleport packet and send ppl 2 billion meters up and this does seem to crash the viewer after a few moments, but the person would have to accept your 'teleport' offer in order to do this. I've also seen scripted object that if you sit on them, will send you far far far away and crash you. but again this is something you have to 'choose' to do, i.e. sit on it..... im sure someone will make a h4 Blitz/er/orbit/er soon for us to play with _____________________ To some, we will be their greatest enemy. Spoiling their fun and doing everything in our power to ruin all they hold dear. To others, we will be their greatest friend and ally, always willing to make them laugh. How you react will decide your fate.
shiney Sprocket Registered User Join date: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 254	04-07-2008 14:33 It stops the orbits that are caused by the hollowed, dimpled, cut spheres that would go insane. Often called a Blitz I believe.
Yosef Okelly Mostly Harmless Join date: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 2,692	04-07-2008 14:38 From: Desmond Shang I heard that the new Havok 4 regions have eliminated the 'orbit' capability that Havok 1 had. I have heard this but I have not verified it one way or the other. But I can in about an hour. I'll find someone to orbit me and/or toss me when I log in.
Shelby Demonge Registered User Join date: 6 Dec 2007 Posts: 9	04-07-2008 14:58 My sister who is new to SL got orbited this morning. Let me just say if it wasn't an official "Orbit" a gnat could starve on the difference.
Desmond Shang Guvnah of Caledon Join date: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 5,250	04-07-2008 15:16 Well. It will be interesting to see how far people can go (figuratively? literally?) with these things. I guess I'm about as lost as before - though one doesn't really need to send my avatar anywhere to annoy me for annoyance's sake. Generally a few well-crafted lines of chat will do the job just fine... _____________________ Steampunk Victorian, Well-Mannered Caledon!
Yosef Okelly Mostly Harmless Join date: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 2,692	04-07-2008 15:42 Rioko and I just tried toorbit each other with the MystiTool at the hangout just now. Nothing. I did not try a toss because she is in a mermaid AV and i would hate to have messed up her scripted attachments. BTW, she looks just as fine as a mermaid as she does in human form
Gabriele Graves Always and Forever, FULL Join date: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 6,205	04-07-2008 16:32 From: Har Fairweather Low orbits that are fairly easy to return from still seem to be possible. The orbits that sent you billions of meters away were based on an exploit of Havok1 that has been eliminated in Havok4 - the low orbits do not depend on them. There are, however, other methods. The good news is, there will probably be a grace period before they percolate down to the grief-kiddies that are 90% of the griefing nuisance in SL. The serious griefers are another matter. We shall see about those. And of course, there are always ways to grief. Being orbited is discombobulating, but there are worse things, and probably always will be - unfortunately. discombobulating...This is my candidate for word of the week _____________________ Trout Rating: I'm giving you an 8.2 on the Troutchter Earth-Movement Slut Scale. You are an amazing, enchanting woman, and, when the situation calls for it, a slut of the very best sort. Congratulations and shame on you!
Imnotgoing Sideways Can't outlaw cute! =^-^= Join date: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 4,694	What about Self-Worn Deruthers? 04-07-2008 16:50 I have a copy of a self-worn deruther that I use often because kid avatars usually have this bug that stretches us into odball shapes with short arms and legs. (>_< Basically what it did was orbit me to 900M then drop me back down in just about a second or two. Now, in H4, I can fly faster than my deruther. Is there something reversible that can still force me up 900M in a split second that I can attach to myself? (o.o) I already know about the sittable rocket, but that doesn't help in no-script no-build areas. (>_< _____________________ Somewhere in this world; there is someone having some good clean fun doing the one thing you hate the most. (^_^)y http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ferguson/54/237/94

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