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Issues with Security Systems??

Milla Alexandre
Milla Alexandre
Join date: 22 Jan 2007
Posts: 1,759
04-04-2008 16:57
Just wondering.....

I never use my security orb but when I have in the past it worked fine. Last night one of my good freinds came to me in a crisis.....long story but her SL partner had gone off the deep end and she was trying to stay the hell away from him. She said They had been renting and he took his name off the lease and she changed the security so he could not access.....but he was still able to get in and harass her.
So.....she showed up at my door and I set my security or (psykes defense home securty) and set it to target him, should he show up.....it would send him right back home.
Today I logged in and she told me he was still able to get on my property.....the system never targeted him.

She also mentioned that he was able to fly where the rental house was...even tho that region was set to 'no fly'.

My question...has havok4 affected security systems that anyone is aware of?? And secondly...I know there is a fly override cause a friend showed me how to do it once ... either in client or tools..I forget, it was ages ago. Does anyone know about that??
Talon DeCuir
Angel
Join date: 19 May 2007
Posts: 350
04-04-2008 17:02
I recently purchased the same security system, I have yet to been able to get it to work.... until your post, I thought it was just not me understanding how to set it up.
Kitty Barnett
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Join date: 10 May 2006
Posts: 5,586
04-04-2008 17:11
Why not just land ban since you're targetting a specific person? :confused:
Milla Alexandre
Milla Alexandre
Join date: 22 Jan 2007
Posts: 1,759
04-04-2008 17:48
My shop is near my house...i didn't want to be bumping people off my land left and right. LOL I cannot stand ba lines....they are the ugliest most offensive things. You may as well lock yourself in a hidden room away from the entire grid if you're gonna have ban lines.

But like I said.....this system worked great for me from day one......I never had any issues. I went thru the entire set up procedure last night so that it would just target this one guy......I turned it on lol It said it was on.....but my friend said he was able to cross my land with no trouble.

(ok, of course the next question I am asking myself, is how did he find her since she changed it so he could not see her position or her on line status. Either SL has a glitch in that respect....or he has a follow device of some sort.....or she caved somehow and he found out where she went *shrug*)
Leo Mission
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Join date: 6 Jan 2006
Posts: 189
04-04-2008 17:51
From: Milla Alexandre
Just wondering.....

Today I logged in and she told me he was still able to get on my property.....the system never targeted him.

She also mentioned that he was able to fly where the rental house was...even tho that region was set to 'no fly'.

My question...has havok4 affected security systems that anyone is aware of?? And secondly...I know there is a fly override cause a friend showed me how to do it once ... either in client or tools..I forget, it was ages ago. Does anyone know about that??



Havok4 *shouldn't* affect tp to home (although I've not tried it specifically) since that is actually a borrowed landowner power. One thing might be the issue. If the land is GROUP owned land (even if you're the group owner), then the orb has to not only be set to group but also DEEDED to group for the powers to work. Otherwise the orb will recognise the individual as being in violation but will be unable to do anything about it. If it's not on group owned land but on your land, then it should have worked regardless if you entered his name correctly (e.g. /8addt John Doe).

The other thing that might allow him access to the property are the specific settings. Is the armed range wide enough? If the range is only 30m but the property is a lot bigger, he can still access that part of the property beyond 30m. If the above are all things you are aware of, it's difficult to say what the problem is apart from of course the orb will not work just over the boundary to the next plot of land so the target can still harass by standing on the other side of the plotline.

If the land is yours, you might consider just banning him using the built-in ban as Kitty suggested.

No fly is a bit of a lame thing really. It's not really no fly; what it is is greying out the fly button. There is a way using the debug commands to unblock this so that they fly button is enabled again...it can then be used as normal even on so-called no fly land. So this is quite an easy work-around.
Derbor Torok
Lost soul
Join date: 21 Jun 2007
Posts: 1,016
04-04-2008 17:54
If she can eject him from the group that owns the land she can ban him. Or ask the estate owner to do it for her. In you place you can just ban him and everyone else will still be fine.

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Milla Alexandre
Milla Alexandre
Join date: 22 Jan 2007
Posts: 1,759
04-04-2008 17:58
No..land is not group owned. I've had this orb for months......and on this same land it has worked.....that's why I asked if it could be a havok4 issue. Seems not.....so I will check with the creator....he may know of a glitch or have an update.
Ann Launay
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Join date: 8 Aug 2006
Posts: 7,893
04-04-2008 18:12
From: Milla Alexandre
My shop is near my house...i didn't want to be bumping people off my land left and right.

You can ban him by name and he'd be the only one affected. Also, a person-specific ban like that reaches over 700m, whereas a general ban only goes to 50m or so above your land.
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Har Fairweather
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Join date: 24 Jan 2007
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04-04-2008 18:20
From: Leo Mission
Havok4 *shouldn't* affect tp to home (although I've not tried it specifically) since that is actually a borrowed landowner power. One thing might be the issue. If the land is GROUP owned land (even if you're the group owner), then the orb has to not only be set to group but also DEEDED to group for the powers to work. Otherwise the orb will recognise the individual as being in violation but will be unable to do anything about it. If it's not on group owned land but on your land, then it should have worked regardless if you entered his name correctly (e.g. /8addt John Doe).

The other thing that might allow him access to the property are the specific settings. Is the armed range wide enough? If the range is only 30m but the property is a lot bigger, he can still access that part of the property beyond 30m. If the above are all things you are aware of, it's difficult to say what the problem is apart from of course the orb will not work just over the boundary to the next plot of land so the target can still harass by standing on the other side of the plotline.

If the land is yours, you might consider just banning him using the built-in ban as Kitty suggested.

No fly is a bit of a lame thing really. It's not really no fly; what it is is greying out the fly button. There is a way using the debug commands to unblock this so that they fly button is enabled again...it can then be used as normal even on so-called no fly land. So this is quite an easy work-around.



If you land-ban him specifically, he will be the only one who sees the ban lines, and it sounds like that's the least you could do for him...As for flying in no-fly zones, didn't know htere was a workaround under debug but it is even simpler than that: If he is flying or hovering when he enters or tp's in, he will be able to fly around freely as long as he doesn't land. It doesn't keep you from flying; it only keeps you from taking off.
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Join date: 17 Apr 2007
Posts: 746
05-01-2008 18:42
FWIW, my security system stopped working too. It was working fine. I can't say when it stopped but I just found out today that it is issuing warnings but no ejects. I did not have it deeded to group before and it worked fine. Now I've deeded it to group so we'll see if it starts working again. :/
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Viktoria Dovgal
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Join date: 29 Jul 2007
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05-01-2008 18:52
There are some strange problems going on with interactions between land/group owners and scripts. One of these could interfere with security scripts.

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2237

Lindens are unable to reproduce so maybe you have fresh info or a known non-working example that could help?
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Cinders Vale
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Join date: 2 Dec 2006
Posts: 272
05-01-2008 23:57
Milla,

Do you know if your friend and her ex happen to be in some other group(s)? He could have gone looking there to see if she was online. She might want to leave as many groups as she can for right now, especially if he might remember which ones they are, just in case he joins in order to see if she's online.

I'm also wondering if she has her IM's going to her email? She might want to disable that function too.

She's lucky to have a good friend like you. I hope she'll soon be able to return to her usual in-world routine soon, best of luck to her.
Phil Deakins
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Join date: 17 Jan 2007
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05-02-2008 04:51
No Fly doesn't mean no fly - it only means that a person can't take off. Taking off from the next parcel and flying onto the land is easy enough.

I don't know that particular security device, but it sounds like it has the ability to ban specific individuals, leaving the place open to everyone else. Could it be that you've never used that feature before, so you don't know if it ever worked or not?

About him finding her:
If he knew you were friends, which seems quite likely, he could have simply visited various likely places, including her friends' places, until he found her.
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ArchTx Edo
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Join date: 13 Feb 2005
Posts: 1,993
05-02-2008 09:18
Could it be related to this notice I recieved April 30?

From: someone
Group Notice From: Psyke Phaeton

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1815

Please vote on this. Thanks.
Sometimes a group owned object will have (waiting), (Loading...) or Retrieving... in the group field. When this happens llDialog Menus will no longer work. This seems to be related to back-end server and region connection problems.




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She also mentioned that he was able to fly where the rental house was...even tho that region was set to 'no fly'.


Its easy to fly in "no fly" land: option control V
anyone can do it.
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Lear Cale
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Join date: 22 Aug 2007
Posts: 3,569
05-02-2008 10:13
I can't explain this, but when I was installing security systems, a customer showed me that by using some mysterious HUD tool he could be invisible to the security system's scans.

Now, I'm no fool. I'm a scripter and an experienced SL-er, and he really did make a convincing demonstration. He was invisible as well. The only evidence I had that he was there was his green dot in the minimap, which did not move.

OK, maybe I AM a fool, but nonetheless I do believe it is somehow possible to evade scans. I sure don't know how.