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Emerald viewer - uncool?
Dakota Tebaldi
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07-05-2009 18:57
I've only heard of the Emerald viewer in passing - I understand it's an independently-developed viewer, like Snowglobe.

However, a couple of friends have told me they've received land-owning group notices warning them not to use the Emerald. Apparently, the problem is that the "newest developers that have taken over the project" have been adding unspecified features to the viewer, features that could get their users banned, either by land owners or LL themselves.

Has anybody else heard of this? What features are the problem features? Or is particular rumor unsubstantiated?
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07-05-2009 19:07
From: Dakota Tebaldi
I've only heard of the Emerald viewer in passing - I understand it's an independently-developed viewer, like Snowglobe.
There is a fairly recent thread on the Emerald viewer, but I don't remember the specifics.

Snowglobe is an LL developed viewer and you download it from the LL web site.
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07-05-2009 19:59
From: Dakota Tebaldi
Or is particular rumor unsubstantiated?

This one, mostly. Recently the Greenlife Emerald maintainers have taken to warning people against downloading their builds from sites other than their own, and they've also been encouraging people to check against the hashes they supply.

The little UUID hack that identifies a viewer as Greenlife or some other viewer is really easy to spoof, just like you can't really believe the user agent supplied by a web browser. And, of course, a modified version can still look like the original from the UI too. So something can look, walk and quack like a duck but still be a slug.

The actual maintainers have turned down a lot of feature requests, even simple things like printing texture keys, because they don't want to go down that road.
Nisa Maverick
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07-05-2009 23:10
I use Emerald had no problems so far. i can only say I prefer the 1.22 viewer than the 1.23 emerald. The 1.23 I find can be extremely laggy beside the emerald 1.22.

But then thats not to say its emerald, it could be the 1.23 viewer on a whole. I know a lot of people do not like this viewer and I am one of them, until LL get all the bugs fixed and the lag with it.
Katheryne Helendale
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07-05-2009 23:26
Apparently there's been some falling out among some of the Greenlife developers, some of whom apparently left in a huff and vandalized the download site on their way out the door (hence why the Mac and Linux versions are nowhere to be found). I suspect these guys may be responsible for spreading malicious rumors about the viewer.
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07-05-2009 23:33
I love my greenlife viewer. I hope they pull it back together and release new versions soon.
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Dakota Tebaldi
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07-06-2009 01:09
From: Katheryne Helendale
Apparently there's been some falling out among some of the Greenlife developers, some of whom apparently left in a huff and vandalized the download site on their way out the door (hence why the Mac and Linux versions are nowhere to be found). I suspect these guys may be responsible for spreading malicious rumors about the viewer.


Indeed? Interesting. Where did you find out about this unfortunate turn of events?
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07-06-2009 01:55
From: Dakota Tebaldi
Indeed? Interesting. Where did you find out about this unfortunate turn of events?
It was information I was able to piece together from within their forum.



Note: You need to sign into an account to be able to see that the forums even exist, so the above link may not work for you.
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07-06-2009 02:02
Also, with regards to actions against one's account for using Emerald... Here is a repost of a conversation between one of the Emerald devs and Linden Labs:

From: NameShort
I also want to post a conversation that took place with Zwagoth (Emerald Dev) and Teagan Linden.

[21:07] Zwagoth Klaar: So, it should be that a fully GPL compliant client should not be a determining factor is the banning of a user if they were reported for an infraction, and simple use of the client is indeed something that can not get them banned without investigation of use?
[21:10] Teagan Linden: If someone is using a fully GPL compliant client, say for example the old Onrez viewer, then no, they would not get banned simply for using it.
[21:10] Zwagoth Klaar: May I quote you on that?
[21:11] Teagan Linden: Um, sure?
[21:13] Teagan Linden: The SL viewer would not be open source if we didn't want people to play around with the code, add in customizations they like, improve things, contribute to the community. Using a viewer that doesn't contain GPL violations but is simply an open source viewer with fun tweaks, improvements, RP specific features, etc is not a violation.
[21:14] Zwagoth Klaar: Thank you for your time and responses.
[21:14] Teagan Linden: My pleasure :)

Hopefully this clears up any confusion on the matter.
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Dante Tucker
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07-06-2009 06:52
One of the tags hardcoded into Emerald for another viewer is "<-- Fag". Who knows why.

I modded my personal copy of emerald to use that client UUID. Now my name says "Dante Tucker (<-- Fag)"


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Tali Rosca
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07-06-2009 09:15
I can't remember the details, but there's something in the back of my mind about the Emerald code being used as the starting point for yet another client, which included some rather dodgy, aggressive features, and was distributed under a name which was very easy to confuse with the original Emerald viewer.
Dakota Tebaldi
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07-06-2009 09:24
From: Tali Rosca
I can't remember the details, but there's something in the back of my mind about the Emerald code being used as the starting point for yet another client, which included some rather dodgy, aggressive features, and was distributed under a name which was very easy to confuse with the original Emerald viewer.


Must be this, because I've just looked up the feature list for Emerald and I don't see anything particularly ban-worthy in there; so unless there's some features that aren't on the menu, I don't understand the objection.

If the "another client" that used Emerald as a starting point was created by the disgruntled developer, that might've led to the confusion which prompted the group notices about new and bad-motived people "taking over the project".
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07-06-2009 09:27
This is why you need to make sure your developers are fully gruntled at all times.
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07-06-2009 09:50
From: Tali Rosca
I can't remember the details, but there's something in the back of my mind about the Emerald code being used as the starting point for yet another client, which included some rather dodgy, aggressive features, and was distributed under a name which was very easy to confuse with the original Emerald viewer.
You may be thinking of VLife and/or Cyro. GPL concerns with the non-open-source one, and exploit-like feature concerns about one or both of them may have led to some action on LL's part.
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Kabalyero Kidd
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07-25-2009 17:46
I have a question that I hope people here can clarify. Are the people behind Greenlife Emerald the same people behind vLife and CryoLife? Thanks...

Edited for typos!
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07-26-2009 03:02
From: Argent Stonecutter
This is why you need to make sure your developers are fully gruntled at all times.


and how do you 'gruntle' a Dev or is that not PG? ;)
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07-26-2009 07:01
From: Kabalyero Kidd
I have a question that I hope people here can clarify. Are the people behind Greenlife Emerald the same people behind vLife and CryoLife? Thanks..

some code is shared across those viewers, so the credit for it may include people that have done work on other questionable features... whether the same Devs are actually doing the work on those viewers, rather than just having some open source portions of their code borrowed, I couldn't say (though rumors abound)

From: Lord Sullivan
and how do you 'gruntle' a Dev or is that not PG? ;)

caffiene, nictine, occasional applications of junk food and alcohol, and perhaps even some cash, along with ego stroking are the most common methods....

(...You'll have to ask the particular Dev where their ego is located to determine if it's PG or not)
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07-26-2009 07:47
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some code is shared across those viewers, so the credit for it may include people that have done work on other questionable features... whether the same Devs are actually doing the work on those viewers, rather than just having some open source portions of their code borrowed, I couldn't say (though rumors abound)


caffiene, nictine, occasional applications of junk food and alcohol, and perhaps even some cash, along with ego stroking are the most common methods....

(...You'll have to ask the particular Dev where their ego is located to determine if it's PG or not)


Thanks for the answer ;)
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07-26-2009 09:26
From: Lord Sullivan
Thanks for the answer ;)

depending on who asks... my ego is located either very far away, or in places where they ship you to Zindra for discussing even the directions to....
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07-26-2009 11:08
Hey there, sorry i didnt see this sooner.

This was a post for darling brody's qhud support group at first, which mentioned project devs being taken over, etc etc.

None of this happened, emerald has always, and will remain a tos compliant viewer.

The confusion arose when someone was looking at our source, saw that it had object import and export, but didn't see the permissions checks. It was decided that seince we would never put a copybot in emerald, that the project must have been taken over.

i cleared this up as fast as i could, darling posted a new notice clearing things up, emerald has always had full permission checks on exporting.

I suppose... some land owners just decided not to post the correction.. thanks yall. i supose that wasn't enough shock value... or who knows.

Anyhow, seice i dont check forums much, hit me up in world, or maybe hit me up on the contacts page on the emerald web site ;)