Bug or Feature: Sell Objects With Land

This has been frustrating me for a while now - I'm selling some parcels of land, and I've started decorating and furnishing them. I know, most people wipe the parcels clean anyways, but it at least makes the lots look more attractive in the meantime and on the off chance that someone actually likes the way it's set up, then they don't have much work to do.

I'm not much of a house-builder, so I have used a few freebie prefabs I found over at Yadni's. For the foliage, I use Linden trees out of the library.

What frustrates me is that the furniture and other things I put on the lot, are things that I build - I'm the creator, I have full perms. Most of the stuff I make these days is Mod/Copy, but no trans. The land sales dialog states that only objects for which I have Transfer permission, will be transfered with the land. Fair enough - I have transfer perms for everything.

Yet, the stuff I built, for which I have transfer perms, is not transfered with the land sales! It is, for some reason, ignoring my permissions and looking at the 'next owner' perms. This makes no sense to me. I'm selling the land, and throwing some of my products in with it...

Is this a bug, or a feature? And if it's a feature...what in the world is the reason? Cheers!

-Atashi

i have had this problem too. i look forward to the explanations.

Are you using any scripts that are notrans in the freebies?

The parcel owner also has to match the object owner. In the case of group deeded land the owner isn't you but the group so the only things that would qualify for "Sell Objects with Land" are group-deeded objects that are transfer for the group.

The freebie objects are not scripted, and the freebies (full trans) are not the problem - they always transfer.

It is the stuff that I build which doesn't get transfered. For which I have full perms on everything, prims, scripts, textures.

I was just informed of another 'wrinkle' to this - someone who bought a lot from me, where they did actually get ownership of one of my builds, went to change something (mod/copy after all) and when she unlinked it, all the child prims showed me as the owner, only the root prim had transfered to her name. Fortunately she had taken a copy first, and the one she rezzed from inventory functioned correctly.

Grrr. :/

-Atashi

Yes. I was hit by this one. Since I had set auto-return, when I tried to unlink stuuff, all the bits were returned to the previous owner. This is a recognised bug http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-369. You can vote for it. If you search the jira with "land sale objects included" you will find a whole stack of open issues which might "explain" the original case, including the script-associated one.

Is it possible you're rezzing some objects *after* you've set the land for sale? I believe it only transfers objects that were on the land at the exact point in time you put it up for sale.

Anything you rez (or drag-copy) afterwards won't transfer.

No, I set the land up just the way I want it first, get all the buildings and furnishings set up, then I set the land for sale with objects.

I have tested this with an alt. If I make something and set it mod/copy it simply is not transfered. If I set it as mod/transfer then it is transfered. Yet this makes no sense as *I* have transfer permission, because I have full permissions. The thing seems to be looking at the 'next owner' perms rather than the current owner perms, which is frankly Broken.

It seems to be reproducable, as I was able to test it by selling the land back and forth with my alt, and every time, the object would not transfer unless the *next owner* had transfer perms.

I guess I'll file a JIRA... I searched a few times but couldn't find this specific problem listed.

-Atashi

*smacks forehead* Thank you Kitty. In the instances where I have run into this problem, this explains it.

I've encountered the same thing - no groups of any kind involved, just land owned by me plus objects created by/owned by me including scripts and textures.

It sure strikes me as a bug - whatever routine SL is using to determine whether or not to transfer objects along with the land seems to check next-owner perms instead of checking current-owner perms as it should. Someone probably just goofed. JIRA away, say I!

i learned this the hard way last year when i sold 10K of landscaped land.

i had to go and "sell" each and every item to the new owner before auto-return was activated.

what a pain. lol.

I sell furnished homes on land quite often....and have not run into that glitch....but when I place my own designs in them, I do not check Mod/Transfer....so perhaps that's the key....don't quote me on that....just never had that glitch. I also do not have anything set to group.

"When" I set the land for sale was never an issue....I set it for sale the minute the house goes up...then add 100's of items afterwards....this did not effect transfer at all, ever.

I use many copyable items....otherwise the package would cost a fortune....and I explain that before transfer of the home/land. Their choice....they can pay much more for transferable landscaping/foliage....or pay for what is there, at a decent price....and accept that. 99% of the time, they are cool with that. If not....I suggest they buy their own land, and start from scratch.....that my package does not meet their needs.

I have a notecard that I give them twice....the minute they contact me with interest, to explain the non-transferable items in advance....and right before they click the sale button, as a reminder.....before sale is final. One of the conditions that is stated very boldly in the notecard.....is that, because of the fact they are buying it already set up, with some non-transferable items....they must NEVER use the autoreturn feature. If they mess up, and do that....I will charge a fee to set the items back up....lesson learned after one guy returned a whole house....which was not linked (OMG)

On houses that are non-transferrable....I unlink them. Mostly because I modify them extensively....but also found that after they've purchased....when they are moving their own items around...they often click on a wall, and accidentally send it back to me. I don't mind going back to help them....unless they are a complete moron or are rude about it......It's much easier to attach one wall back....then to try to get one third of the house back in place.

Here's something to note when you are doing it this way. Your buyer will then Resell the same exact set up to another buyer....and conveniently forget to have the above conversation with their buyer. The new buyer will go to make changes or move things back into inventory, and might get a little pizzy about the non-transferrable items, that they were not told about......especially, if it is a House. Your name is on those items....so they contact YOU....and get pizzy with YOU.

At that point you just whip out that notecard explaining it all.....and apologize to them that their Seller did not send them the exact same instructions and explain it all to them....as you did, to their Seller. When that happens....I also whip out a copy of our entire conversation in IM about all of the above, which I copied and pasted into a notecard for safe keeping.....and send it off to that Seller.....that conveniently forgot to be up front about how it works....and say..."Geez Dude...looks like you forgot something....Karma is a B."

If you want a copy of the notecard I use that sums it up...let me know.