Grid Problems? Residents fault not Lindens, we deserve it really......

60,000 Online, too many people, campers and bots online, right back in the bot runners faces, the multitudes of landbots, trafficbots and campbots they love to use to cheat the classifieds and land sales are stuffing the transactions of their own customers in peak spending time to the point people can't buy their products
There's been hardley less than 30,000 online all week even offpeak, that's a damn lot of trafficbots and campers, which the grid handles fine during off peak, but throw 30,000 people in and it starts groaning and coming apart. The weekend crew must be holding it together with crazy glue, race tape and rubberbands by the time we hit 64,000.
It happens every weekend at peak time, you'd have to be blind not see the coincidence, but most of the people running the bots don't come in world, so they don't notice anything other than slumping sales, which means it's time to add more bots of course...
Every week more bots login to run 24/7 and more residents frustrated with performance inferior to a Commodore64 leave.
There's no big influxes of noobs to prop SL up, we're fading just as the good stuff comes online, but then that means even more bots ...........

Should I now don my tinfoil hat and proclaim the sky is falling?

Yes , though I might be donning somthing stronger than tinfoil myself, it might stop mind control by aliens, but it doesn't save you from falling concrete skyboxes and land values

lol well truly, 'deep lag' (to the point that money transactions 'time out' for the customer, yet still sometimes the money is still getting moved between accounts:\) - royally suxxorzz... especially since it's a two-way street and sellers sometimes have trouble refunding mon then to the customers. :\\

however, all told really - this is all leaps and bounds beyond the 'sl experience' of just a year or two ago - weekly major grief attacks (to the point of shutting down the grid), grid shutdowns -just- to make updates... while updating the grid 'live' is tricky and obviously causing some consternation... it's much better than before.

still, 'irritation #1' will feel very very similar to 'irritation #2', regardless...

the prob as always expressed is 'scaling' for the online population. i'm not sure what all grid functions previously-to-now have been in 'streaming'/lossy format; i think many things are now converted to a 'no packet loss' kinda communication format. the prob then, is making sure the servers can keep up with it all...

anyhow, to quote the firesign 'i say live it or live with it!'

p.s. to say, i also highly suspect that the 'impossibility'?) of distinguishing bots from 'real peep' logins has not been a high priority, as that simply gives them a 'high watermark' to try to hit. of course i'm not happy if this is happening at the expense of 'biological' logins... but i can see where it simply gives them a technical standard to achieve.

Agreed that bots have made many things more difficult than they used to be. That said though not all campers are bots. I know a friend of mine recently joined SL, went premium immediately, and discovered she could not buy lindens for days because she was at her newbie spending cap. She was stuck camping for the first few days for enough cash to have a little fun.

Later when money got tight she camped while working on clothing in Photoshop. The camping paid her upload fees.

Was she a 24/7 camper. No not by any means. Does she camp now. Nope not usless shes desperate.

But not all campers are mindless bots.

i would do this:
every weekend when peaktime sets in and problems occur i would post that in the blog. then, until peektime has passed i would lean back, or maybe watch a movie, or just take a nap and then i would come back and rename the blog entry "resolved".

Very true, but a majority of them are either afk 90% of their time online, or running a skeleton client in a serverbox with 50 other campers.
Go touring to all the green dots on the map and say hello or offer $200L to bunches of 30-50 campers there and see how many respond. I rarely ever had to pay out.
Campings good, for new people, but when it is being abused it's only sucking potential income off legitimate campers to put into offworld bank accounts.

ROFL, I love it

Hmph. It's not MY fault...I haven't even been on since Thursday. (Stupid RL.)

And Adfarmers , spinning horrible signs, small lots adding more land and boundries to process when the bots pass over them...............
Hmm did I miss anyone or anything in my Rant?

Is bullshit and I am about done with SL due to not ressing or cannot transfer anything, its just plain boring to me! Too many problems!

I would not go so far as to call that 30,000 all bots and campers. Remember what is off-peak for you is on-peak for other parts of the world. I am just not convinced the numbers are that high for bots and camping-only alts. Are these sleek/bot clients created so as to automatically log back in if SL goes down? Because the online numbers sure come back up quickly after a downtime, and surely every bot owner is not sitting at home all the time monitoring SL. If they are not automated in logging back in, then it must be live people behind the majority of the log ins. Just thinking is all...

They are automated logging backin, It isn't 20,000 people all sitting at their keyboards logging in manually the first 5minute's it's back online.
And no the 30,000 aren't all bots, over 18 months the nightshift population has gone from 1/4 the day to 2/3 of it, there's not that many Australians joining SL. I'm talking offpeak for SL not any side of the planet, the population isn't anywhere near constant 24/7 And probably never will be. But seeing bots run 24/7 the offpeak time can give an idea how many are still hammering the grid while we sleep,
So I'm guestimating 10,000 or so are bots of some sort. Someone else did a count of those at camping bot places and came up with a even higher calculated figure.
Considering if you put a traffic logger on your land covering adjacent parcels/ Linden Land where bots can land, you will have 3 or 4 deifferent searchbots/landbots TP in and out again before they even rezz.
And it's a very possible figure, Goldfarming server farms run a hundred of thin clients per box, 100 odd boxes tended to by a bunch of kids trained like monkeys paid a bowl of rice a day to do setting up of accounts and paying out process, these guys have been farming other online communities for years and making a mint.

I would think the process of creating SL accounts could be handled easily enough by scripts. ( no, not LSL scrips. )

speaking only in terms of "time", and using ONLY ONE example of differentiation: Europe is 'generally' 5-8 hours ahead of USA, so while you are sleeping, they are waking and logging on and staying on. Span the globe, consider the time of day it is THERE (whever you spanned to).... while you are sleeping.

just a little wrench for your thinking pleasure.

All the real residents should get off the grid so that the trafficbot runners and wannabie trafficbot runners can log on 30 accounts at once.

Your wrench theory falls flat because you are assuming there are equal numbers of SL users in every time zone
Aussie evenings (10pm-4amSLT) are SL's quietest times for numbers.

where do you find these numbers? and i don't argue the quiet time count, i just don't see how we can know if they are players or bots.

I don't think we can know if they are bots or players.

I guess by some floor level you could guess since many bots will be 24/7 types.

Linden Labs, in its infinite wisdom, declined to use separate account types for human residents and bots.

*nods*

That's an interesting idea. If they offered some benefit to bots, like perhaps a reduction in network traffic and automatic relogging at the expense of interactivity, and if people took them up on it, they'd find out how many bots they had. They likely don't want to know, though, because people would pressure them for that number and it's not in their best interest to separate bot and human traffic.

I wonder how many camp venue owners put their own alt bots on some of the pads to make place look busy and to increase traffic while keeping the cash in house.

My biggest heartburn with the campers is the inflated claims of Linden Research that they have over 1,000,000 members when most of those members are fakes.

I don't know know enough about the tech issues around lag and such to comment.

"CX"

That's nothing they don't have now, about all they could offer is linking them to a common email, which basically means unlimited alts for everyone....
Picking between the 2 would be hard, but if they were logged in seperately then LL could throttle them in times of peak use, which of course is completely against what bot runners want.

Can I have your stuff?