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Liabilities by adding estate managers

Master Maktoum
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08-26-2009 03:53
I have an estate with clubs and from time to time i need to give certain staff members estate rights for banning and such. But it makes me feel uncomfortable, because this will give certain rights, and you never know when this turns against you.

Now my questions is this: one of the more powerful estate rights is to return prims, is it possible for someone with given estate rights to return prims who are owned by the estate owner? In other words can a nasty staff member kill my entire estate by returning my 15000 prims or not?

Thanks
Brieanne Bomazi
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08-26-2009 04:48
Yes. That's one issue.

However, you can set the land to group, and give them ban/admit lists rights, and no return rights. Then you can have security, and no chance your things get returned. as long as you are sole owner of the group, they cant do anything else.

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Kidd Krasner
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08-26-2009 08:44
Do you really mean estate rights? Or parcel rights?

Not being an estate owner, I don't know which estate rights, if any, can be given out, but it seems like a really bad idea in this case. Use groups and parcel rights only, as previously suggested.
Lindal Kidd
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08-26-2009 09:04
Your comment makes me wonder...what sort of treatment do you give your employees, that you would worry about one of them turning on you in this way?
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08-26-2009 09:29
From: Kidd Krasner
Do you really mean estate rights? Or parcel rights?

Not being an estate owner, I don't know which estate rights, if any, can be given out, but it seems like a really bad idea in this case. Use groups and parcel rights only, as previously suggested.


you can make people managers of your estate via the estate land management tool

it gives them a lot more rights than a group will, a heck of a lot more, and should only be handed to those you fully trust running your estate
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Desmond Shang
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08-26-2009 10:29
Anyone with estate rights can pretty much do anything you can do.

Exceptions: load/save/bake terrain (this used to be a primary way to obliterate a region, intentional or otherwise) and assigning/removing other estate managers.

Anyone new to estate management is likely going to break a few eggs before they get the hang of things. I strongly recommend they use the "select only my stuff" tool option for a while.

The first time a new estate manager "net edits" a group of their own prims to delete them and deletes the shopping mall in the background, you'll know why I suggest that.

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Another danger: rogue estate managers can "sell the region" to the unsuspecting.

New residents maybe 30 to 60 days old don't understand mainland/private land very well, and think they will "own" 65,000 square meters of private paradise for 195/mo mainland tier if it is "sold" to them for the low, low price of $L 2 per meter or whatever.

This nonsense goes on all the time, and then you've got some random resident on your land that is dead sure you scammed them, or are in cahoots with the rogue manager.

I recommend extreme care in granting estate manager powers.
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Master Maktoum
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08-26-2009 23:56
From: Brieanne Bomazi
Yes. That's one issue.

However, you can set the land to group, and give them ban/admit lists rights, and no return rights. Then you can have security, and no chance your things get returned. as long as you are sole owner of the group, they cant do anything else.

~Brie


I don't think its possible to exclude return rights on estate level, even if the land is group owned. If it is, I am happy to learn this. Thanks for your answer.
Master Maktoum
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08-27-2009 00:08
From: Lindal Kidd
Your comment makes me wonder...what sort of treatment do you give your employees, that you would worry about one of them turning on you in this way?


Well Lindal, its SL and if I hire someone I cannot really know who he or she is. Might be a spook. If you give them the keys of your front door....

I once had an officer who had a bad day and took out my banlist one by one...my club gets 20.000 visitors a month, was a long banlist...

Yes, I am an alt, don't want my staff to know I am inquiring about this problem :)
Master Maktoum
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08-27-2009 00:11
From: Desmond Shang
Anyone with estate rights can pretty much do anything you can do.

I recommend extreme care in granting estate manager powers.



Thanks Desmond, I will heed your advice.
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08-27-2009 07:45
From: Master Maktoum
Well Lindal, its SL and if I hire someone I cannot really know who he or she is. Might be a spook. If you give them the keys of your front door....

I once had an officer who had a bad day and took out my banlist one by one...my club gets 20.000 visitors a month, was a long banlist...

Yes, I am an alt, don't want my staff to know I am inquiring about this problem :)


And I apologize. I was grumpy all day yesterday. Yes, there are good reasons to be cautious, and Des said it much better than I did. I wouldn't give power like that to someone unless I'd known them a long time, and trusted them a LOT.
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