Estate Owner And Parcel Groups Question

I'm an estate owner to a sim that rents out parcels to people, we own all of the parcels. The problem is we set up an individual group for each parcel so that no one could mess with anyone elses parcels there. The parcel land is owned by each individual group. The problem is, even with me being estate owner, I can't do anything with the parcel management controls for any of the parcels. I had to create an alt that had each and every one of the groups in it so that I could do anything. If I'm estate owner, shouldn't that alone override any group settings?

In my view the most ideal set up would be to have one group dedicated to just the residents, but others say that that would lead to abuse of people building where they aren't suppose to, returning objects they shouldn't, etc.

Is there any way to redo this so that we can maintain each individual parcel group without having each renter affect the others and let me do my job without having to use the alt for maintenance? Is it as simple as making all of the parcels owned by one centralized group that has nothing to do with the renters, but we would still use the individual groups so that the renters can build and do all of their stuff? I hope this isn't confusing, if so, just ask and I'll try to reword it. I didn't set the sim up with the groups and the current system is totally inadequate for what we need. Thank you for your help!!

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No one???

You basically have no alternative but to use an alt that is tied to each group.

Generally, among tenants, I find that there is no problem with people building on land that doesn't belong to them. It is people who DON'T live on the island that is usually the problem - griefers, wandering noobs.

Personally, this sounds like micromanagement. It is not my style, so I won't judge, but what exactly do you need to control why you have to be in EVERY group? Doesn't the estate tools override certain key things on the parcel? I really don't see why you have to be a part of every group. I have rented on islands before, and bought land for groups on them. I have never had a problem that required the island owner to be a part of my group. Only one island permitted me to terraform. The rest didn't. Terraforming is the only thing I think you'd want to keep a handle on, and that doesn't require group membership to do it. I'm just confused as to why you actually need to be in everyone's group. IMO, that is a waste of precious group entries.

because u have NO control over the land, u can`t even change the parcel name or set land options
it 1 of the most half arsed lacking function, u can`t change land settings on land u don`t personally own or in the group that owns it, not even as estate owner

I have to agree with Cristalle. Why would you want to change the name of a parcel you have rented to someone else? I think a tenant deserves some autonomy on land they are paying rent for. If that tenant abuses that autonomy in a way that violates your terms, then it should in the first instance be raised with the tenant, as 99% of the time it is a misunderstanding. If that approach bears no fruit, and you have a problem tenant that refuses to abide by the terms, then the last resort is to reclaim the land and evict them.

I'm also with Cristalle on this, I can't think of any land management tools on a parcel level that an estate owner needs that can't be controlled on an estate/region level without becoming a micromanager. The only time I ever needed to be part of the group that the land was deeded to was when I was renting out land I did NOT have estate/region authority over (and they were free "rentals" for new resident so in some cases I did want/need to micromanage. Like the time one of them set up a bunch of particle emitters on their land, not maliciously, just not knowing what it effect it would have on the neighbors.)

The issue isn't micromanaging, the issue is having NO control over the parcel unless I'm in the group. We have building turned off on all parcels by default because we don't want griefers coming in and doing crap or a noob leaving stuff. I built the entire sim, so tenants can't turn on auto-return because then my build is returned to me, so that leaves us with just leaving building off when not in use.

Essentially what has to happen is if I see building turned on and contact the renter and they don't do it, then I have to contact the sim owner (who set up these groups in the first place) and have him go in and turn building off. Normally this doesn't happen as fast as I want it, so by me being in each group I can go there and instantly turn it off without having to bug anyone. It's just a ton of extra steps for me. It's not micromanaging, it's just being able to do simple maintenance when needed. I don't get why being an estate owner doesn't allow me to do this stuff without being in these groups.

You have to understand that I'm dealing with a system that is absolutely inefficient, and this is the best that I'm going to get. The sim owner doesn't want to spend the time to rip the entire thing apart and start from scratch to do it right, so he would rather do a patch job and have me create an alt with these groups.

How about joining the group temporarily just to 'set' those prims which belong to you to that group? Then you would be able to turn on the auto return.

I rent a parcel on a private estate and the owner does not require to be part of any group that I may set for that land. I would not of thought it was really needed. Some of my neighbours have their parcels set to a group of their own choosing that they have created and I don't think the Estate owner is part of them either.

This *is* micromanagement, IMO, and therefore you have no choice but to use an alt. This extra "service" you provide requires you to be in the weeds about land management. The estate tools actually respect that autonomy of "buying" the parcel. Theoretically, a parcel does not have to be set to a group - an individual could buy it and restrict all building by unchecking both boxes.

Conventionally, you would let them know up front and in the covenant that the land must be set to some kind of group, and that building must be restricted to anyone outside of the group. Provide a picture of what that means, if you have to. Give them an "incentive" - eviction, or if you have a refundable acquisition fee, the fee becomes non-refundable if the land isn't properly set within 24 hours of purchase.

Most people, when given a friendly reminder about something that violates the covenant, will rush right away to correct the infraction. If you give them a chance, it might save you some heartache. The people who "get it" and understand will do it, and you will only have to worry about non-compliant tenants, versus having to do it for every single plot.

Alternatively, you could rent it like mainland rentals - they don't actually buy the parcel, they just pay a box. They join your group, and you control the land settings down to the nth degree. Then, of course, you will get the "why did my stuff get autoreturned" question ad infinitum, and will have a different kind of headache to worry about. But if you want that level of control, that's the way to go.