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"You must be age-verified to enter this region"

Nyte Caligari
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Join date: 6 May 2005
Posts: 238
12-15-2007 09:50
Hey Everyone :)

Has anyone here come across a setting to allow/disallow age verifieds or not? As far as I was aware, this setting doesn't exsist yet HOWEVER... one of the sim's I own is now blocking everyone who has not age-verified which is NOT what I've intended.

There's *nothing* mature, whatsoever, on the island. I've even set the region to PG to see if something changes. Nope. Mature items is not checked either.

Any suggestions on how to get it to stop wanting verifieds?
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Kitty Barnett
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Join date: 10 May 2006
Posts: 5,586
12-15-2007 10:03
IM'ed already, but for completeness sake :).

Age-verification is currently in "beta", but changes to the estate settings do actually already prevent people from tp'ing to sims if it's restricted to age verifieds only :(.

You need the 1.18.6 RC1 viewer to see the new flags in the estate tools which you can get from: http://secondlife.com/community/downloads-optional.php
Nyte Caligari
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Join date: 6 May 2005
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12-15-2007 10:39
You know, it's incredibly stupid that the setting gets checked without the sim owner's knowledge/consent... and then to uncheck a new viewer is required!

Anyway! Thank you so much Kitty. Getting the new viewer solved the problem. :)
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Ricardo Harris
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12-15-2007 17:01
From: Nyte Caligari
You know, it's incredibly stupid that the setting gets checked without the sim owner's knowledge/consent...


What's even more stupid is this entire age verification they're planning on bringing in.

They're trying to save the world? I mean, do they honestly think this will stop any underage person from coming in to sl? No matter what if they want to come in they will find a way. All this does is bring hassles to sl residents due to many being blocked out of certain areas. Besides, it's not anyone's business what other people do to themselves regardless if they're underage or not. It's their parents responsibility not anyone elses.

Then they say it's voluntary which clearly it's not since if you don't go thru' this process you'll be blocked out as mentioned. Plus and foremost and as if we didn't know there will be a fee for registering. It figures they'd charge for this too.
Kyrah Abattoir
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12-15-2007 17:33
From: Ricardo Harris
What's even more stupid is this entire age verification they're planning on bringing in.

They're trying to save the world? I mean, do they honestly think this will stop any underage person from coming in to sl? No matter what if they want to come in they will find a way. All this does is bring hassles to sl residents due to many being blocked out of certain areas. Besides, it's not anyone's business what other people do to themselves regardless if they're underage or not. It's their parents responsibility not anyone elses.

Then they say it's voluntary which clearly it's not since if you don't go thru' this process you'll be blocked out as mentioned. Plus and foremost and as if we didn't know there will be a fee for registering. It figures they'd charge for this too.

It will save their ass from being sued, survival is the first priority of a company.
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Yuukie Onmura
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12-15-2007 17:58
just move everything on the sim to above 50m.
Vittorio Beerbaum
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12-15-2007 21:40
From: Ricardo Harris
What's even more stupid is this entire age verification they're planning on bringing in.


What is stupid, is that after repeating 1000 times why the "age verification" has been introduced, there must be someone that say again: "this will not stop underage ppl to access to the main grid...".
Man wakeup, the age verification has not been introduced for that pourposes, Linden Labs DOES NOT CARE at all (they are happy if ppl being to "fool" the system using a false document because they increase the residents number); the age/identity verification has been introduced to cover their a**, moving away the reponsability of showing adult material to childs, because they adopted (as the law wanted) a system to prevent it. In the past (and pratically today.. because the age verification still optional) if something goes "wrong", LL may have troubles in real life.

I know that repeating again would be not enough, and tomorrow we will have another user posting: "hey! i verified with my WC paper! this won't stop childs.. bla bla bla".
Ricardo Harris
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12-16-2007 04:54
Is it not mentioned sl is an adult game? Does sl have a grid for teens? Just as music cd's and movies are rated to advise they have adult material so does sl. If some kid listens to these cd's or see's an adult movie are the makers liable? Please! It's not all it's cracked up to be.

Just as in many other areas of sl they add content for the sake of adding it. And yes, someone will come along again and say the same thing I did, so what? They have before and will again. Handle it or leave.

And you actually believe people want to bother with this? Putting out their personal info which may be seen by others which is what was said in the blog. No, deduced was the word used. Only those who feel they need to save the world really care about this new system as far as those in sl, the rest couldn't care less what age anyone else happens to be in sl.
Jessica Elytis
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12-16-2007 05:08
From: Ricardo Harris
Only those who feel they need to save the world really care about this new system...


This is the POINT!!!

LL is putting in this IDV to get the RL dumba** off OUR case.

Real world idiots who can't see beyond thier own dumb ideals of what a "good society" should be are trying to sue LL and SHUT DOWN SL.

If you like SL at all, you should be supporting IDV in every way, and helping LL to get it put in as painlessly as poosible. Both to LL and to the Reisidents.

Which is what LL is TRYING to do.

Now, does the capitol letters and blunt talk get it through thick skulls, or do we need a bigger stick?

~Jessy
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Nina Stepford
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12-16-2007 05:17
i really hate dragging this thread off topic, but:

idv isnt about protecting us at all. it is about ll trying to shift any responsibility they may have had ONTO us. this is an attempt to make US liable for what minors get up to on the grid rather than ll. ll want people to sue us rather than themselves, so ll arent really doing us any favours.

that being said i dont believe this is an ironclad protection for ll against a lawsuit (as stupid as a lawsuit sounds). it could probably be argued that the idv attempt is disingenuous, and was not a good faith effort on the part of ll. esp considering how many people have posted regarding the ease of rorting the system.
From: Jessica Elytis
This is the POINT!!!

LL is putting in this IDV to get the RL dumba** off OUR case.

Real world idiots who can't see beyond thier own dumb ideals of what a "good society" should be are trying to sue LL and SHUT DOWN SL.

If you like SL at all, you should be supporting IDV in every way, and helping LL to get it put in as painlessly as poosible. Both to LL and to the Reisidents.

Which is what LL is TRYING to do.

Now, does the capitol letters and blunt talk get it through thick skulls, or do we need a bigger stick?

~Jessy
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Jessica Elytis
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12-16-2007 05:34
From: Nina Stepford
idv isnt about protecting us at all. it is about ll trying to shift any responsibility they may have had ONTO us. this is an attempt to make US liable for what minors get up to on the grid rather than ll. ll want people to sue us rather than themselves, so ll arent really doing us any favours.


Yeah yeah. Heard this arguement before. Poorly investigated.

With IDV in place, I HOPE some dumba** parent tries to sue me for thier kid seeing "explict content" of mine. Why? Because to get there past IDV, the child would have to commited fraud by providing false information, with the parent as an accessory to a minor commiting a felony.

ID fraud is a felony in the USA under the Pariot Act.

I'd personally prefer the IDV to be a Sign Up and forget about the need to flag parcels, but the whole thing is still in Beta so the direction may change a few hundred times between now and then. Why at Sign Up? Because it may curb a whole lot of griefing if they need to enter information that can be traced to the RL identity.

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Qie Niangao
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12-16-2007 05:44
From: Jessica Elytis
If you like SL at all, you should be supporting IDV in every way, and helping LL to get it put in as painlessly as poosible.
Yep. But do we know what the hold-up is right now in rolling this out fully? AFAIK, age-verification status is still not populated in the grid, so verified avatars still can't enter restricted parcels. I'm curious if this is actually a technical problem, if everything is on hold while they renegotiate the contract with Aristotle because the IDV process itself is failing so much, if they're reconsidering whether this will achieve its objective of getting the lawyers and yellow press off their ass, or if it's something else entirely.

(B.t.w., I agree that if a reliable and reliably secure/private IDV system were available, it should absolutely be required of all accounts at sign-up. We're a long ways from that situation, but it would solve a *lot* of problems.)
Ceera Murakami
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Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 7,750
12-16-2007 06:41
Verified avatars can enter age-verification-required parcels. I have tested it in-world.

But the verification status doesn't show in the profile correctly. It seems one team in Linden Lab promised that the age verification status would NOT be visible, while another one thinks it SHOULD be visible, so people can act responsibly on thet knowledge. Since they can't agree, we have a profile flag that doesn't reflect actual status. If LL would make it policy that a yes/no status flag on age verification SHOULD show in profiles, then the team that added that third line to the profile could actually activate that code.

There are JIRA issues arguing both sides of that issue right now.
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Qie Niangao
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12-16-2007 06:58
From: Ceera Murakami
Verified avatars can enter age-verification-required parcels. I have tested it in-world.
Just retested, and sure 'nuff. I swear it was just a couple days ago when it didn't work. Thanks!
Jessica Elytis
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12-16-2007 07:08
Though the OP is right. LL shouldn't have this effecting the Main Grid without the concent of the parcel owners. Or should at least have a link/e-mail to send in requests to have it reverted with a 24/7 monitoring of said link/e-mail by staffing that can affect the changes. (I know...I'm dreaming again *smirks*)

~Jessy
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