How to solve "problems" when AR's & tickets do not work

On one of the main sandboxes i was minding my own business building a club for someone when a group of Texan avatars started yelling abuse, at first I thought it was just random but then they started typing it into chat and it was directed at me.

Anyway i decide to move and ignore them, they then start rezzing cubes all over my builds and putting up anti-gay flags and spamming the sim,

After IMing a total of 18!! Lindens they said "File an abuse report", told them i have already done that for each avatar (there were about 10 - 12 of them), after asking what to do next one of the lindens replied "Deal with it your self I'm not on the appropriate team"

The sandbox owner was not interested either. I'm sure many of you have been in this situation, so i proceeded to spam the place out with invisible physical & lit cubes (I did make sure no1 had built anything before doing this) and crashed the sim, about 20 minuites later i came back, the sim was fine and 2 other avatars actually thanked me for getting rid of these jerks.

My good deed of the day done! so far these offending avatars have visited all the places in my "pics" list (one being now an empty sim and my 512 plot of land on the mainland).

The best way to get rid of these people is to crash the sim, they don't come back. LL are still shit at dealing with greifers, figured they'd have sorted it by now being 2009 & having a new CEO n all.

Crashing sims does not damage them, it meerly goes down for 3 or 4 minuites and comes back online just as it was about 10 - 15 minutes before

Hmmm, not sure if that was the correct way to go about it.

Crashing a sim can cause many various problems with scripts that are running in that sim. Boasting of crashing a sim just means you are going down to their level, and in the end, will be treated the same as them with a perma-ban.

Might not have been the correct way but I did not see any other way, i tried everything else i could have thought of? what would you have done?

Logged out until later

If the Sandbox owner was not interested in dealing with griefers on his property... I'd find a new place to build.

I would have probably just picked up my toys and left. I would also try to find a better sandbox. There are several out there that would care more about the griefing avatars behavior. I work at home now, so I don't know any... but someone here should be able to let you know about more friendly sandboxes.

Sit on something you're building. Select your whole build. Change the Z position to anything between 2500 to 3500. Invite some "guests" to hit the ground, gather some bump logs, and join in the AR party. (^_^)y

NCI Kuula. NCI Hamnida. NCI Oxbridge Villiage, Caledon. (^_^)

Geeze, crashing the sim is a lot worse griefing behavior than the people who bothered you showed.

Don't do that again, please.

I would have gone to a different sandbox.

I would have gone elsewhere. Then again, I only do building on land I own, so I would have estate banned them and kicked them from the sim.

As a practical matter, the only thing you can do in this situation is to move somewhere else. It certainly is not fair to you. But the fact of the matter is, griefers are more dedicated to griefing, and have more time to waste, than you have to defend against them. Moving away from them is the quickest, easiest, and most efficient way to achieve your bottom-line: Building in peace.

The response you got from Linden Lab certainly is disturbing. It may be that the Linden to whom you talked was not of the appropriate team to deal with it; but the correct response is not to tell you deal with it yourself (in fact, if the Linden is not on the appropriate team to have the authority to deal with your problem, then the Linden is not on the appropriate team to have the authority to deal with it yourself). The appropriate response from the Linden is to tell you who is on the appropriate team, and put you in touch with that team immediately.

Further, you have a Linden giving you the go-ahead to grief right back. That certainly isn't the correct response. And by following that Linden's advice, you can bet that the same Linden will be banning you for breaking the TOS by following that Linden's advice.

i unno ars i write usually work. but theyhave to be correctly written. crashin sims leaves u in a bigger bind that a few tards talkin smack.

Using better-managed sandboxes is a good idea.

Try to find the one or two Lindens who are on the governance team and are online at any given time; they are the ones charged with cleaning up this sort of problem. If you can get them to come and deal with your griefers directly, your problem will get fixed real fast.

Also, ALWAYS file ARs against griefers. It alerts the Lindens to the fact you are being griefed, and that there are two sides to the story when the griefers start to AR you as a further form of griefing.

If crashing the sim works in this case, well, ok, I guess, but AR first; you are playing with fire, and the Lindens need to know why you are taking action..

Consider investing in a good weapon system. I use a combination of two: Quantum Core, which I believe to be the most effective anti-griefer weapon in SL; and the JVTek shield system, which allows you to move around in a very normal fashion completely phantom. Between the two you will be immune to all but the most sophisticated attacks and well equipped to strike back effectively - which means causing them to go away with their tails between their legs.

QC, by the way, while it is expensive, has a bunch of very nifty attacks which are very likely to solve your problem. It is very good for dealing with the sort of gang attack you describe. Griefers do not like to be made to feel like the losers in the encounter and be humiliated. Nor do they like to invest the L$2800 it costs in a throwaway alt, so they are almost always heavily outgunned by this system.

Do not bother to communicate in any way with these idiots; it only feeds their sense that they have succeeded in bugging you, which is what they want, and encourages them to keep harrassing you. Mute is your friend. Beyond muting, and ARing, and drawing in the governance team if you can, just eliminate them without a word; they will feel the contempt.

There are packs of adolescents out there fighting their own homosexual impulses who project their inner problems outward by persecuting apparent homosexuals. These clowns seem to have tagged you with that label, so expect them to keep coming after you unless and until you give them powerful motivations to go look for some other victim. Humiliation is a powerful motivation for griefers to go elsewhere.

The argument that you are "descending to their level" by fighting back is silly beyond belief. Initiating a griefer attack is descending to their level. Fighting back against an unprovoked griefer attack is not descending to their level; it is exercising your right to self-defense. There is nothing at all wrong with fighting fire with fire, as long as it is done effectively in a way that does not backfire on you. There is a lot wrong with passivity in the face of an aggressor: The aggressor continues to get whatever gratification he gets from making the attack in the first place, and to feel as if he can continue with impunity, so it encourages more aggression. Some people get gratification from being the innocent victim because they think that confers moral superiority on them. It does the opposite: Your predator gets his gratification and you get to be a loser. So to preen themselves on their supposed "superiority," while simultaneously abdicating responsibility for themselves, such "victims" help make the problem worse - I suppose so they will have even more opportunities to feel "superior." There is nothing innocent about such "victims;" in fact they are feeding their own neurotic needs in a way that only makes things worse for the rest of us. What is morally superior about that? In my view, nothing. It is, in fact, morally inferior and reprehensible.

Anyway, you have the right spirit: Keep up the good work.

Agreed.

Two people thanked you? What about those who were most likely not able to safe their builds in time before you crashed the sim?

Seriously, they should take those crash toys away from you.

Yep, there was a sandbox I used to hang out in, mostly it was great, people dropped by and talked etc...

But there was the same spam attack of cubes your talking about, heaps of nigger and hitler shit... It was hellish as I don't know how to crash sims etc...

ditto..

The AR system is a complete and utter pile of pants.

Funny how these people always find Chaos. I wonder how much of it he brings on himself?

Exactly.

I tend to forget that I pretty much only hang out on land that I have total security rights to anymore lol.

Griefers?

What is that?

Chaos, crashing the sims is NOT the way to go. If LL notices a pattern or heck reads the forum, you risk getting perm-banned, while the griefers get off. The best way to handle it is to take your build up to the 2000 mark and then set the thing to phantom. Sit on a single prim yourself and watch everyone else fall out. Assuming they bother to hunt you down....


It's the idiotic behavior that keeps me from even visiting the Linden owned sandboxes. It got to the point I spent more time filling out useless ARs than I did actually building.

Remember this chaos...

Griefers carry out their activities on throw-away accounts that they can afford to get banned. Unless you are willing to loose your account.. don't do it..

And just because an AR is filed doesn't mean immediate action.. you know how many ARs that come in outside normal business hours that they have to sift through?

I concur with everyone else.. I would have just moved...