is the use of ShoopedLife banned, or jsut the misuse?

is the use of the ShoopedLife viewer banned on LL's official grid or like any other viewer, just the misuse of it that is banned?

and is there any other client out there that can be scripted? (besides Restrained Life, which seems to have a focus more on restricting functions than expanding them)

ps: I haven't read much about how ShoopedLife can be scripted nor what besides having some sort of scripting system and scrambling the hardware data used to identify each user it can do by default, depending on the answers I get in this thread I may invest more time in that. The purpose of this thread is actually two purposes, satisfying my curiosity about it being banned, and learning more about scriptable clients

Thanks for that post i googled the client and it made interesting reading. A griefers GUI of choice LOL. Personally I cannot see how they can ban this client as the clients are now OS but im not that knowledgeable on these matters but it seems on face value its going to be a great tool for those that get banned in the future and then want to come back to cause more mayhem.

The TOS prohibits viewers that enable violations of the TOS, so I would expect it to be banned on those grounds. Rigging the viewer to transmit false identifying information, if not already a technical violation of the TOS, should be.

Whether or not they can enforce it is another story. There may well be software forensic techniques that would allow them to identify the use of this viewer. But just because you can do something without getting caught doesn't make it right. Likewise, just because there may be loopholes that allow violating the intent but not the letter of the TOS doesn't make it right.

The TOS technically bans all non-LL offered viewers because they're not part of the TOS' definition of "the service" .

As far as I know no viewer is banned and only actions/behaviour matters.

If you want to build a "human" tower of copybots, there's nothing wrong with that. It's the moment you'd use it to copy something (that you didn't create/had permission to recreate) that you'd do something that's actually an offense.

Similarly, it doesn't matter *how* you're evading a ban/griefing/<insert AR'able offense here>. It just matters that you *are* doing it.

I would imagine they won't ban you for using it but they will look less kindly upon you if you cause problems.

Actually, it explicitly allows them. I was paraphrasing an explicit provision from the TOS, which I'll now quote:


Viewers, scripts, etc. that have both legitimate and illegitimate uses are indeed problematic. That's true in RL, too, with a number of important court cases, such as those involving DeCSS (a program that decrypts copy-protected DVDs).


The difference between copybots and ShoopedLife is that one could plausibly argue that there are legitimate uses for copybots (e.g. an independent backup of things for which you own the rights). For ShoopedLife, I can't think of any legitimate reason for sending the SL servers fabricated hardware information.

how much can that client really be scripted? the page was loading quite slow for me the last time I tried and it wasn't very well structured it seems...

depending on what the scriptability allows, that would be a legit usage, no?

knifes aren't banned, hell, pencils aren't banned, but you can still kill someone with one, even the official client "enables some violations of the Terms of Service"

The scripting part is certainly useful (if it works well). But that's totally independent of the fabricated hardware identification. A better analogy would be that you can't build a pen into a gun and then argue you should be allowed to take it on an airplane on the grounds that pens are allowed.

hm...I can't turn off the hardware disguising feature without messing with the sourcecode, can I?

Ah okies, thankies .

I started with 1.1 which limits it to anything provided by LL and just skimmed over the rest to see if it made any mention and looking at the bold part of 4.2 now I probably skipped over it since it didn't seem relevant .

Call me naive. I've never heard of ShoopedLife before just now. I downloaded it and went to install it, and it apparently includes CopyBot. I would think LL wouldn't look too kindly on that.

wow, really?

is c***bot completly banned or again, just the misuse of it?

As far as I know, it isn't against the TOS to hide your hardware ID, but it's certainly in bad taste, and it might be "enabling a breach of the TOS" (ie, allowing you to do things for which you'd otherwise be banned).

I don't know how ShoopedLife could include CopyBot, as they're quite different things, but it could certainly include changes making it easier to duplicate prim objects (such as displaying the prim settings for every object when clicked).

I should mention that I believe ShoopedLife is likely to send your username and password somewhere - largely because its authors wanted to ensure that no "serious" SLer would use it (why would you care about having a password stolen for a throwaway griefing account?)

(And, oh my god, looking at a wiki page, ShoopedLife now apparantly supports LUA Scripting! If that is true, it's actually evolved further than the legitimate SL client has, in a direction that client developers said they WANTED to take it. I hate to say it, but that's shameful. Really.)

The Second Life client is open source... There are TONS of alternative clients available because of this. Why bother with something as risky as Shooped? (o.o)

the main atraction for me is it seems to be scriptable

the code is avaiable ont he site, any ideas why no other client borrowed the scripting parts of it yet? (and also, having the code, people can check if it steals their login info or not, at least for clients copiled bythemselves)

The SL client is open source... How much more "scriptable" can you get than that? (o.o)

Check this out: http://www.libsecondlife.org/wiki/Main_Page

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The LUA support in ShoopedLife is really pretty limited, and most of the other features in it can be had in other third party viewers. There's no legitimate need to mask your hardware profile if you're not griefing, and there's no guarantee that Linden Lab won't develop a means of profiling people who use it with respect to possible punitive action.

If you use a different throwaway account each time you log in with Shooped Life, you'd also need to spoof your IP address - if you didn't do this, it would be easy to identify you as using software designed to circumvent security measures on Second Life because your hardware profile would change every time you logged on. A consistent user name with constantly varying hardware profiles and IP addresses would mark you as a somebody who was probably up to no good.

it generates a new hardware hash on each login? probablywould be wiser to keep them constant for each account until the user tells it to change or somthing, but whatever

so the scripting it got is too limited? what it can do?

also, recopiling a program from source, and making scripts for it isn't the same thing...