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Dedalus Lunardi
MEMachinima Director
Join date: 17 Oct 2006
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08-05-2007 03:55
Hello everybody.

I'm starting with machinima and i would like to hear some (not interested) opinion about these excerpts from the film i'm making.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbSd6nEXMCU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSHGii0l6pU

What you think is the cause of the little (sometimes big) strip disassociated on the top of the videos when the camera is moving (sometimes also when the camera is still)?
See the top of second video, when the camera rotates around the actor on the sea. What causes this?

Sorry for my bad english and thank you if someone will reply me.
AWM Mars
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08-06-2007 06:18
From what I could see (difficult without the original footage) is the declared movie size (<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>;) The aspect ratio looks like a default setting and not the actual size of the movie resolution, this would then cause the uploading programme to add borders to the movie, or resize it to fit (which would cause distortion). Open the original movie in QuickTime and then click the Window menu, choose 'show movie inspector' (although it would be called 'Movie Information' on older versions). In the window that opens it will show you the actual size of the movie, use those sizes and choose 'custom size' when uploading your movies.

The 'bars' that run across the screen while you are moving your camera, are mainly caused by syncronisation issues between the frame rate of capture, GC and screen refresh scan rates. If you are using a CRT monitor, set this to 75hz or more (depending on your capabilities of your graphics card) and make sure this is set as default on your GC settings, also make sure you do not use 'interlaced' scan rates, these produce a picture by scanning the tube face first with even numbers of lines, followed by the odd numbers, effectly halving your scan rate. If you use a LCD/TFT monitor always use 60hz scan rates as they cannot handle well, any other rate.

Another problem that maybe causing the issue, is partial dropped sections of the screen refresh rate, basically put, what you are seeing is the captured part of one scan of the screen, with the previous scan underneath, try adjusting the capture rate to say 20fps for LCD/TFT and 25fps for CRT monitors. Reducing the actual screen capture 'space' using the window/zoom feature of say Fraps or HyperCam will reduce the load on your system trying to save several mb's per second onto your HD system. I prefer to use HyperCam as it allows me to capture in AVI format, this reduces the need for the system to run the captured data through a codex on the fly... but then again I also use a bank of Raid SATA II HD's which helps a lot.

When you add a music track to any movie, the frequency of the music, coupled with the set data rate of the codex, will make the fps display of the movie sync to the music's data rate speed. I use a combination of 25fps movie, with 44.1hz at 96kbps sound mp3 codex settings with minimal frame drop, you can lower this to 64kbps or even 32kbps depending on the quality you wish to use. More than 96kbps is a waste of resources for the type of movies and could tax many systems in SL.
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Dedalus Lunardi
MEMachinima Director
Join date: 17 Oct 2006
Posts: 11
08-06-2007 06:58
Thank you AWM for your reply.
Ehm, now I need a week to study it, but i will let you know! :-)
Thank you again!
Dedalus Lunardi
MEMachinima Director
Join date: 17 Oct 2006
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08-06-2007 11:14
Hello. I'm back here.

My screen freq is at 75hz (85hz make it looks very bad also with still images).

I look at the fps of the original takes and the result.
And ehm..., maybe it's here the cause of the bas "bands" on the movie. The fps of the original files are at 15fps, the edited scene is at 29fps.
Do you think is the frame per seconds of the original files that can cause the distorted bands on the movie?
AWM Mars
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08-07-2007 02:26
From: Dedalus Lunardi
Hello. I'm back here.

My screen freq is at 75hz (85hz make it looks very bad also with still images).

I look at the fps of the original takes and the result.
And ehm..., maybe it's here the cause of the bas "bands" on the movie. The fps of the original files are at 15fps, the edited scene is at 29fps.
Do you think is the frame per seconds of the original files that can cause the distorted bands on the movie?


When you use a mixture of captured footage at different fps, the rendering engine software that you use to 'compile/render' the output file, would have to decide which frames to drop and which frames it can 'tween'.
For instance, at a rate of 29fps input, to 25fps output, there will always be 'leftover' frames which cannot be used, as these frames are dropped, this can cause the appearence of jerky movement in the movie.
Similarily, 15fps input, to 25fps output, the programme would have to condense the frames available and effectively speed up the movie, or try and 'tween' frames for those that are missing. If you add a music track, the 'tempo' of the music will dictate the bit rate (speed) of the movie, the music track will take preference over the movie fps rate. You can alter this priority using codex formats such as .rm but the results are less pleasing to the ear.

The human brain can handle a certain level of 'tweening' itself in merging 'flipbook' scenes into a fluid movement, as in TV, monitors, celluliod movies etc.

As you are using a CRT monitor I would suggest you best way forward, would be to use a high refresh rate (75htz or above) which is relative to your fps capture rate, using the calculation of whole number divisions (75htz divided by 3 = 25fps), given the inconsistancies of the rendering engine, you stand a better chance of reducing the scan lines you are experiencing. Another element to consider is resolution, if you try capturing the whole screen at say 1024x800, that amounts to a lot of data capture that is not only showing on your screen, but also being transfered onto your HD. My suggestion is that you use a screen capture programme such as Fraps, use region select to capture a smaller window of data, and combine that with saving your data to a seperate HD on its own channel controller (not a partition or slave HD on the same channel). Keeping that HD defragmented and clear of any caches/restore points/indexing/virus checking etc will help. Or if you don't want to use a screen capture programme, lower the client resolution to say 800x600.

When you come to post-production, always set the output movie resolution to the same aspect ratio of the captured data, the same with the input fps capture rates, mirroring the output fps. Most good post-production movie editing programmes will allow you to crop/zoom the output window (aspect ratio/resolution) to reduce borders.

I don't know if you shot the movie as a whole seqment, but you might try using cut scenes and blending them in the post-production software (don't use transition wipes, they can cause problems when applying codex), this will effectively reduce the fps inconsistancies experienced with making long shoots, which can effect the data flow to the HD.

What it all revolves around, is having a system that can cope with the capture of the movie raw data in a consistant manner. Combination of connection speed (packet loss, latency etc), clean flow of captured data to the HD, correct scan and fps rates that are maintainable and good post-production work.

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