Land owner rights

Just wanted to clear something up - at least my understanding of something - for new land owners. Put another way... I need to vent.

First, being neigborly does not mean that:
-- one's neighbor MUST terraform to "your" desires/approval
-- that walls cannot be erected around one's own property for multiple reasons - literally physical, vritually physical, and virtually psychological to name a few. Once erected, it is the wall owner's prerogative to take the wall down or to leave it erected - unles, of course, the neighbor b****es and lies to the Lindens long enough.
-- a land owner MUST entertain offers of land purchase or sell land to a neighbor despite a desire to hang onto that land
-- neg rating and running away without explanation is condoned or even proper behavior
-- getting one's friends to gang-neg-rate someone because you don't like what they are legitimately doing on their own land is something to be admired
-- once muted, it is okay to IM the person who muted you with continnued spam conversation.
-- once muted, you should send a friend to plead your case.
-- once muted, you should be surprised if you are banned from certain property
-- once muted, the muter will go out of his/her way to be freindly to you

Being neighborly does mean that
-- you have a right to request anything from me
...-- everyone has a right to refuse anything asked of him/her
-- allowing a person to erect a pier/dock on the surface of water benaeth which he/she owns land. If it blocks your view, nothing personal.. but the landowner is within his/her rights to the use of that land. So, be a neighbor and you be allowed the use of the dock.
-- neighbors are not perpetually SHOUTING announcements, messages to friends, whatever. It spams the chat window of those who have little or no interest in the *** shouted.
-- differences of opinion will not alwaysbe resolved to the satisfaction of both parties - as such, remember that the landowner is king/queen of his/her own domain.

I don't care if you are/were a Therian, a whereian, a complete noob, a Linden or an SLoldbie... The above are considerations that all residents can probably agree are the basic "prim physics" of being neighborly.. .and some of us are just crusty old fartts - meaning you may not like our approach, our personality, whatever - but we have rights also.

Don't tread on them.


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Right on! Kill all the rude folks!

If the Lindens intend to continue to lay out the parcels on top of one another, we will certainly be seeing an increase in acrimony between neighbors. Unless you are landless by choice or one of those who are able to purchase a sim or a significant portion of one, there is a good chance you may have witnessed a situation like this to some degree.

With land values being what they are, the members expect that they will be able to do as they please with their parcel.

On the other hand, if a lot is purchased at top dollar primarily for a scenic vista, you have to expect that the owner will do what he or she can do to protect their investment.

Currently, we do not have the tools nor the backing necessary to create proper neighborhoods, or at least DMZs.

Until the situation changes, more tempers will flare - and when they do, remember to be angry at those who are ultimately responsible.

Burn them at the stake!

Amen

Being neigborly means that:
-- one does NOT rename land with intent to insult the seller.

Being neighborly also means that you don't gouge your neigbors on land. Enjoy your US$71.68!

well actually there is a passage in the terms of service for SL users that states that walls cannot be contrcuted for the purpose of denying someone access to their own land parcel. This applies both to land-ban walls and in-game walls... essentially you can't wall someone in/out of their own land even if you yourself own all of the land around it.

Think of it like a zoning regulation. Just because its 'your' land doesn't mean there aren't certain rules on its use that you agreed to abide by when joining SL and agreeing to the terms of service

It is a landowner's right to charge what the market will bear. If you are ashamed to pay for land, then don't buy it Hank.

Amen to that! A neighbor of mine recently opened a fetish club near my land. Shouting spam announcements is becoming all too common from its patrons and members. The land owner has not responded to my request for a brief chat on the subject.

IMO, SL etiquette should liken shouting to the use of ALL CAPS in a forum or chat session. Use sparingly and for emphasis, only.

When I wrote about/metioned walls up above, I did not mean to imply that all walls are acceptable TOS-wise. However, within the TOS restrictions, ANY and ALL walls are acceptable...

1. Neighbors don't have to like them - and probably won't.
2. They don't have to be pretty - probably at least one reason why the neighbors don't like them. There's no accounting for artistic taste.
3. They can be made transparent on either side so one side or the other has to/doesn't have to look at them.
4. They can be made phantom or not - with obvious (and not so obvious) intent on actually representing something physically.
5. Once up, neighbors can raise their own walls if they don't like yours.
6. When in doubt about walls, BUILD - up, down, around or within... walls serve purposes. Figure them out for yourself - but remember that your derivation of a wall's purpose is not necessarily that of the builder or owner.

In the real world, I have used walls to :
1. pick fights
2. to keep people out
3. to encourage people to stay in
4. to guide people to and from places
5. to instruct
6. to obscure
7. to reveal
8. to conceal
9. for sheer artistry
10. JUST BECAUSE

I happen to like walls - in case you can't/haven't figured that out.

Walls can be made of landscaping features (mounds, trees, water, etc) traditional building materials, and even empty space. I have already raised one wall here in SL that was 100 meters high - because I didn't like the view one neighbor gave me. After that person IM'd me, I made it transparent on his/her side... still didn't satisfy the person, but oh well. Any wall made tranparent cannot and does not restrict access to one's own land...

So walls fascinate me...

And it's still my danged land being utilized within the SL TOS.

Walls... gotta love 'em. Anyone not liking my walls.. move. There's lots of room in SL.

edited for typos...and I prob didn't get them all.

I think charging a charity L$35 per sqm for a 512 sqm plot, deserves it's own Wall of Shame. Yes you have the right to do it, but is it right?

Hell, I'm not ashamed to pay it. Several people have gouged the university when selling land, but not as bad as that. It's cost a helluv-alot of money to get that land together and put aside for people to have a lag-free place, which the Lindens wouldn't give us. That's why I left the Linden-Funded Instructors Group, and made USL myself and with the help of others. Ashamed? No.

heck i'd say charging $10 per sqm for land you got FREE is pretty shameful, land for landless is jus far too abused as a quick money scheme... money land for landless plots sell for ought to go straight to the lindens' coffers, and for public resale they should be put for market value

Check your math, Hank. I sold you 928 meters @ $20 each, as was my landowner right. Inaccuracy isn't going to win arguments any more than being un-neighborly wins friends.

Second Life has a long tradition, well before my time, of people arriving in an area and shouting their friendly greeting!

Some of my all time favorite people will pop-in world and shout:


Hi Everyone!

or

Hey, waz up?

SL needs more friendly greetings and neighbors meeting and greeting each other.

It is about being good to each other. You dont necesarily have to be good to someone, but that doesnt mean you have to be bad to them. Being a good neighbor is easy, it takes a little bit of work in some cases, but the peace of mind is worth the effort. Its easier to be nice than to be rude.

Treat others as you would want to be treated.

Just because you can do something, it doesnt mean you should.

Hi, Hank, I'm one of your neighbors. I never see you around, but I did see the name and description of that parcel, and it saddens me every time I sail by . . . just conjures up a bad feeling every time. That's a shame, all right.

It's also a shame that you say you spent a lot of money in pursuit of lag-free space in the neighborhood. Don't know where you've been, but the sim lags like a sloth on downers . . . frequently. As the lag worsens due to continuing development and its associated storm of particles, I'm considering selling my parcel. That's a shame, too, because I loved that little parcel so much I bought it in my first days here and cancelled my application for cheap Land for the Landless. I'm stalling on putting it up for sale for reasons even beyond that, though: It's a shame that I have to worry someone might buy my parcel despite being dissatisfied with the price, then put some depressing, defaming name on it.

I sure do feel bad because of how that parcel of yours is labeled, Hank, and I never did you any wrong. Maybe I'm naive, but I don't see charity in creating a monument to shame.

I removed it this evening.

You're right. I apologize. Your price of L$20 was fair, and I should graciously accept it. You go enjoy your money. I was an ass to let everyone know how much you charged to a charity. I shouldn't have done it. I won't speak up about things again, and take them in good stride. Laying down and taking your licks is the course.

The path of least resistance is what everybody would prefer you did, and what everybody will ask you to do. Including the Lindens. I know it for a fact.

But if you stick to your guns and exercise your rights, you will eventually win.Be damn sure you're within your rights though. Which means...

Do whatever the hell you want with your land, as long as it doesn't directly block your neighbor's in/out movement. Aside from that, any consideration of your neighbor is a courtesy and NOT required. This is what I was told when I was protesting the abuse of my neighbors in Natoma, and their tomato pack-having walls were decorating the borders of my land. All they had to do was make them phantom, and my abuse reports turned to dust, in spite of the clear fact I was being harassed.

Agreed, people that break some of those rules really, really annoy me

what is this "phantom" wall thing ?? and also how do I make a wall trasparent on one side ?

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

In the Object tab of the Edit window, check "Phantom." Then it's treated like a holograph, and you can walk/fly through it.

Select the surface you want transparent (Select Texture), go to the Texture tab, and make it 100% opacity (this is reverse of what really happens, it's actually 0% opacity)

EDIT: I don't know, maybe it says "transparent", but either way it's 100%.