Right Click Standardization?

Now, I realize I'm going to get 20934739 people yelling at me to get a two-button mouse here, but I've got a question

First, back to classic OS (not sure how far back -- if it was an OS8 or an OS9 thing) we've had contextual menus. Back then, to open contextual menus on a mac (essentially, to right click) we've held down ctrl, and clicked. This hasn't changed to this day.

SL is the only application which deviates from this, instead of a ctrl click for right clicking, we cmd-click. I find switching back and forth from ctrl click to cmd click to be somewhat confusing, and was wondering why LL decided to deviate from the de facto standard of ctrl click?

anyway, I hope this has made some sense, I'm tired, and I get confused when tired, which is why I'm posting now

Thanks!

CCC

Apple have stubbornly refused to provide 2 button mice with their machines, however they do provide an OS that requires them and daily more and more applications require them too...

This is a serious question not a flame...

Why on Earth don't you get a 2 button mouse ?

They cost almost nothing!

Quite simply you are making your own life more difficult by not using one. Once you get a 2 button mouse with a scroll wheel you'll never look back.

I strongly advise you get one asap !




But to your point, I agree, LL should follow the Apple HUI guidelines, but they are'nt the only ones who dont, especially amongst game developers.

laptop -- is inconvienient to use an external mouse most of the time. I've also been ctrl-clicking for years, it's something I've got used to, when I used a two button mouse with my laptop, before the trackpad got repaired, I found myself never using the right button. With the touchpad on my laptop, I can secondary click (right click) by tapping on my trackpad with two fingers simulataneously, but that sometimes moves your cursor off of what you were meaning to select, and I forget it's there anyway

Mighty Mouse is two button, but Apple's laptops still only have one *grin*

CCC

I do agree it's whatever you're used to, but personally on a laptop I can't survive without "SideTrack", a trackpad driver that lets me assign left and right buttons, scrollwheel and various other commands to areas of the trackpad. I use a laptop but I often plugin a 3 button mouse, it's so much easier and faster to use than the trackpad. Never more so than with SL ! Grappling with SL on a trackpad is like riding a bike backwards, sure it can be done but it's not easy !

Surely you should be looking at any tools that make your life easier ? I mean would you dig a hole with fork ?

I've used Macs since 1985 btw, and I know how hard it is to let go of old habits, but seriously try a 2 button mouse with a wheel ! go on... go on go on ..., I'm sure you have really

.. I blame Apple for all this, ... Instead of insisting developers adhere to their stupid one button mouse policy they should supply decent mice with their dam machines, even the laptops ! I we only had one finger on each hand I could understand it.

using a mouse with a computer in your lap is just a hassle most of the time, I'd done that for several months when the trackpad on my old powerbook died, kept a USB mouse with me at all times -- that got really rather tiresome quite quickly, since most of the computing I do isn't at a desk, or any place with an easily accessable mousing surface

I've been using macs since System 6 was the new kid on the block, back in the day when colour was an option, I got used to the one button mouse, and never found it a handicap, especially with ctrl-clicking. I got so used to it, I never caught myself using the right mouse button on my mac.

anyway, all I'm asking is why the "standard" of ctrl-click has been replaced by cmd-click in SL?

Thanks!

CCC

Apple's new machines are shipping with the two-button "Mighty Mouse".

However, this is a piece of overpriced, low-quality shite and should be avoided at all costs. The little scroll-ball was lovely when it worked, but broke after about two months.

I suspect LL did this because it allows for ctrl-click to be used as a shortcut on both platforms. For me, I just installed iScroll2 and am getting used to doing a two-finger click as my right click.

I hadn't realized the Mighty Mouse was now standard. Actually, I miss mine, which I used for about 4 months with no problem.

Have you tried getting it replaced under warranty?

Me too. Even on a laptop, there's no reason not to have 2 buttons.

Back when I bought it, the only Apple shop in the country was in London over 150 miles away and it would have cost me more to take it back than buy a new two-button mouse - by the time one opened up round here, it was out of warranty!

Having said that, I'm still using the semi-defunct Mighty Mouse; just haven't got round to getting a new one yet. So I might as well turn this thread into - can anyone recommend me a decent mouse?!

(edited to add: Aha! Loads of people on Apple's web store have had exactly the same problem.)

Well, bugger me, something on Apple's website actually worked. I rubbed the silly little scroll ball around with a disposable screen-cleaning cloth (from Aldi of all places) then banged it on the desk and rolled it around, and it's now happily scrolling around Photoshop.

I like the Mighty Mouse. The scroll ball works well, the second, third and fourth buttons work well too. And its design fits the computer. You can customize the buttons how you want, and since it came with my new iMac, it was less expensive than buying a third party product.

I understand this view for power users. Novices, however, especially older users, frequently do not understand the difference between left-click and right-click, no matter how much you try. *sigh* I totally understand Apple's approach on this one -- don't require it, but support it if you have a mouse with multiple buttons.

And I love iScroll on my PowerBook 17" -- it enables the ability to use two-finger click as a right-click, much like you can use two fingers to scroll. (This is native on my new MacBook Pro -- Shiny!)

actually thats not techincally true. I love apple trackpads and use them only on my laptops. There is no standard way to do a right click and many programs do it differently. Almost every game i have ever played (not saying SL is a game) uses CMD+click, thats nothing new. Ive even used a couple programs, because of other keys they have set for cross platform stuff, that uses Option+click to do a right click. I'm pretty use to figuring out what to press at what time even swapping back and forth between programs. If you do it a lot you get used to it.