Working Together Loosely

Folks who share land in the same sim who don't what a "themed sim" but still want to, for example. not have a giant purple glowing sign ruining the colors of everything on the sim, is there any organizational form or dispute resolution process or sneaky effective technique to deal with that? Obviously one could contact the neighbor with the giant purple light sign and ask them to put the light out when they leave but I think we can assume they are leaving the giant purple light that distorts the colors of all their neighbors builds on on purpose, and would most likely just use some foul language in the process of reminding you that it is their land and they can't do whatever the heck they want with it.

In my case I solved the problem in a backwards sort of way, I switched from having light glows turned off to turning it on and embracing the now competing variety of lighted objects, pretending that I am living in Las Vegas in the casino and hotel district. So if they are trying to drive me out with the big garish lights they have selected the wrong technique.

For those who want to pretend to live in a nice suburban neighborhood though, the lights in Cecropia would definitely present a problem. So I guess my question is what can political science offer us in the way of techniques to solve this sort of problem beyond just appeals to courtesy?

Geez, would this be MY building? I can't imagine!

Well, let me tell you the "sneaky" technique I've developed over the months to deal with problem buildings.

Before I run to the forums, I usually IM the party in question and ask them politely if they'd consider turning off their light, changing their building (it helps to offer them another one of your own), or selling their land.

This often gets a response like FUCK YOU I DO WHAT I FUCKING WANT ON MY LAND etc. but it can be worth a try.

Next, if it seems particularly difficult as a problem case really obstructing sim performance, access to a lot, business of someone else, etc. I negrate them. And I call on others to negrate them. Negrating is a feature to use in this reputation-based game.

Then, I might take stronger action -- a forums post, a boycott of the business, deploying another building, whatever.

Let me explain why I have a purple box there.

1. Because I can. It is not unlawful, and I invite you to turn your libertarian sites on Plastic Duck's foul atomic plant if you are so agitated. CORRECTION: Plastic Duck is gone! Woot! Well, good work, if you were involved in that. But your site with its ugly pictures of old white dead guys and densely-packed sectarian signs is an eyesore, too LOL. Whatever!
2. Because I put it in to try to liven up what was a huge white pale tower of death casting a deadening shadow over the land. Maybe you liked the white tower of death better, but...well...it was a white tower of death! It's gone now to "greater glory" but I kinda like the tone I have set there of LIFE, PINKNESS, AND VEGAS!!!!
3. Other people have all kinds of lighted colourful spinning stuff and had it there before me if I'm not mistaken -- like Schwanson! Is there a reason you haven't contacted HIM?
4. It works! Sales are great! It's amazing! Purple lighted glowing boxes are deployed in this game BECAUSE THEY WORK.

I would say that one way to deal with this more systematically is to form a sim-wide community association. Then, after some IMs and meetings you might arrive at a simple consensus like: we hate purple boxes. Then that sim association could send me a notecard that says "Put lightkill script in that fucking thing or you die" or whatever. This can take awhile.

Another option is to wait anywhere from 1-7-30 days. Most things change in this game. I think I might need that purple box elsewhere. So you may be in luck.

SuezanneC Baskerville I know you say you are a Libertarian but this does not sound like a Libertarian point of view. Did some one hijack your account and post this? As a fellow Libertarian I have to say I am losing respect for you on this one. I also don’t think it helps the movement for there person that has tried to push the Libertarian idea to ask for people to try and control what others do on there Privet property.

The hypothetical purple light extended onto all neighboring properties, and as such interfered with those landowners rights to enjoy their land as they see fit. I don't see how that differs from the libertarian viewpoint.

(Whee! Everything is about Prokofy!)

The purple-pink sign I described is indeed Prokofy's sign. I picked it because it is already been mentioned in the forums and has a name, although I can't remember at the moment if the name is" the pink tower of death" or "the purple box of infinite sorrow" or just what it might be. I do think it is an excellent, one might even say a textbook example of something that some folks would perceive as a significant annoyance and want to get rid of. It is not by any means an especially offensive one, it just happens to be one that is near my land. Actually, it is a good example for discussion because other than the light emitted it is a nice looking build. The sign uses a font called Broadway, a display font with a lighthearted look to it. The lettering is not compressed to get the biggest letters possible in the manner of signs produced by amateurs or people with no taste. The building is well shaped and fits together nicely.


I am not trying to get Prokofy to change his sign and there is no group of people who are trying to have a simulated suburban neighborhood that the sign is disturbing that I am aware of. The land has just opened up, much is unbought and undeveloped, the sim hasn't had time to acquire a character or nature yet. I personally have seen plenty of suburban neighborhoods in real life and if I did for some reason want to be in one in SL I wouldn't buy land in a new sim next to a controversial build but would instead go for something in an old sim that seemed somewhat stable and that already looked like what I was looking for.

The title of my thread is "Working Together Loosely" and the question I was trying to pose was what political science has to offer us in ways work together, but loosely, to solve problems such as a garish sign that bothers people beyond simply asking courteously particularly for those who don't want to create long term organizational structures such as sim wide neigborhood organizations. The goal of my post is not to discuss one specific situation or to find ways to override individual will by force but rather to elicit techniques that resolve problems in a mutually satisfying and voluntary manner for use by folks who don't want to be part of a big long term organization.

It's the Purple Box of Venom but Purble Box of Infinite Sorrow sounds about right, too. It is loosely modeled after my Flamingo Court/Motel of Last Resort.

I understood this wasn't about a Libertarian doing something disallowed by the party discipline (feh, that's why you'll never get me into that sectarian gang lol) but talking about process.

Point is, we got something golden here already:



Wow. And from someone who hates me. This makes the game worth the candle.

But I thought....when I complained about Biff Pendragon, that I was "misrepresenting" his pulsating ugly neon tower

But I thought....Weedy Herbst says...that I "tell other people what to do on their land".

But I thought....everybody says this...that I'm a building Nazi and impose my vision on everybody.

Huh?

But...you mean there is actually a resident sentiment that does NOT say FUCK YOU I DO WANT I WANT IN THIS GAME ON MY LAND, instead, there is bona-fide, good-neighbour kinda thing here, a real Western civilizational kind of ethic emerging, that flies in the face of all those fuck-you hedonists, and says, once again, let me repeat it, because it was so golden to my ears:


You mean we might actually get a consensus? That when something about a build extends into a neighbouring property -- it's light, part of its structure, it's hulking profile, it's lagging of scripts -- it interferes with others' enjoyment?

OK, well how come King Kong gets to be in the water again?

Ok, how come I don't get to ask about a giant white tower of death near the beach?

OK, I don't get to ask why a club of fucktards on 2048 of land get to lag the sim for thousands of meters of other people?

OK, how come I can't ask about party boxes that block my land? Fucking nuclear submarine sheds that block my land?

YOU all said I couldn't. YOU all said I had to listen to freedom of expression uber alles?

So I'm going to remember this thread, and I'm going to remember the lovely Lianne Marte, who said, and let me repeat:



This is the gold of consensus that I seek in my world. It is just this kind of consensus and cultural norm that I hope can grow and spread in this game and make it possible for everyone to ask why Purple Cubes of Venom get to shed light on everybody even outside their own property.

Only thing I see that is remotely similar is the lag one... all the others are visual impairments only. The purple light directly affects objects on other people's lands.

(hypothetical) If something ugly is on someone's land and it's not doing anything but being ugly, it's not raining prims onto other land to exploit an autoreturn bug... it's not lagging the sim to 4... it's not changing the tint of every prim that happens to face towards the location, then yeah leave it alone.

Your purple light changes what other people do on their land by changing the color of their prims. A visual change on the horizon is not equal to that.

[edit] Oh, and I don't hate you. I just think (my opinion) that you act like an ass, which most of the time overrides any favor that people feel towards good points you make.

Case in point is how now I have to point out any uses of sarcasm, opinion, hypothetical, and generic "you" to avoid them being misrepresented.

Also another note... what I say isn't law here on the forums. In fact I can think of quite a few people who would be quite a lot worse off... pecan pie pushers for one...

It'd be something like if Frodo had given Galadriel the One Ring...

In place OF A DARK LORD, YOU WILL HAVE A QUEEN! NOT DARK BUT BEAUTIFUL AND TERRIBLE AS THE DAWN! TREACHEROUS AS THE SEA! STRONGER THAN THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH! ALL SHALL LOVE ME AND DISPAIR!

Just a bit more discussion of the lighting issue.

The intensity of the light emitted by objects made of light does not appear to be following the inverse square law at all. I think the rendering engine is exagerrating the problem of color distortion on other people's property in an unrealistic manner. And there is an option in the Debug / Rendering / "Light Glows" thats makes a good bit of difference in how objects made of light appear.

Well, I happen to disagree. I think a giant white tower of death, or a giant black pillar of doom, really casts a horrendous pall over my SL experience. Logging on and seeing those hideous vanity fuckers really rains on my parade.

So I like to liven things up with pink.

Sure, you can click off "light" on the object menu. You can also put in "lightkill script" which is said to reduce that "shed" effect (let's try it for an experiment."

But what I'm trying to illustrate with my pink-box debut in Cecropia/Necropia is that the few forum posts from nags like you, the few nasty IMs from a few angry at being turned to purple or blue (if pink happens to interact with, say, green or something on their land LOL) are simply overwhelming undone by the fact that more sales happen. This is my point to all you libertarians.

More sales happen, because the green dots are drawn to the pink box. The green dots know. Listen to the green dots.