Script to cancel script steal spots

Hello there..

I think if SL developpers wont do nothing to fix these pernicious scripts that are spreading as fire over sims, it's needed someone do some script to cancel his effects. The script I am talking about is against SL term and services because steal camp spot from people. The only way to get it back to camp is wait until the next SL or sim restart.

How works The script I am talking about:

1. Person come to sim and leave her/his avatar sitting or doing nothing for hours, even days ( I saw already avatr staying 24 hours at same place)

2. The first time someone stand up to restart his spot is, in fact, the last time he/she have it as free: this script jump the person imediately to spot triggering it to run.

This script works, as far I know, inside a 74m range.

They are nice owners who ban these person, but they are others who dont care. So, I am asking something to cancel this script or something I have to do to dont be affected for it.

Thank you very much in advance. Any help will be very apreciated.

Regards,
Aniela Szondi

P.S I already reported abuse but didn't get any reply.

I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you saying that sometimes you go someplace to camp, but once you stand up from a camp chair, the chair won't let you sit down again? The only way I can think of to get around that is to use an alt (not that I'm encouraging that).

Also, I'm not sure that such a thing is a TOS violation- everyone has a right to choose who gets their money, and under what circumstances.

Sorry If I wasn' t clear.

What I am saying its a pernicious script around that, YES, violate TOS because make someone steal the spot you are camping.

This script "sniff" when someone, inside 74m range, stand up to upload account and then put IMEDIATELY the person who is using it on spot, and trigger it to run. Another script variant send you to home, getting you off spot.

Both cases, they are violating TOS. Some nice owners ban people using these scripts, other dont care.

I am getting tired... bots and scripts camping.. they are growing..

I don't think that you will find that LL agrees that this kind of thing is a TOS violation, but if you think it might fit, you can file abuse reports against those avatars.

Most of the bots you describe are rather simple, and all you need is for a friend to walk them out of scanner range (the magic number is usually 96 meters).


So, camp at the places where the owner does care. If the trouble is that you want to leave your avatar unattended for camping so that the human-only camping spots are too much trouble, well, you have a problem. Perhaps try talking to shop owners, see if there is some kind of arrangement you can work out. A camper who doubles as a clothing or gadget or furniture model is a little more interesting to have around than the garden variety, and if access to that is limited to invitation-only groups then you aren't really competing with automatons.

BTW, it's good to point they are THOUSANDS of security and protection toold for lands and NOTHING for residents. People are forgetting SL only exists because they are residents, if no one cares about resident protection and safety too, SL will be soon a big land patchworked. Nothing more.

Its not a script that is the issue here. Its a function of the bot. The owner of the bot points to a sit target and the bot will 'ping' (for lack of a better term) the spot continuously until that spot is vacant. That bot can respond a sit faster than any human reflex. Best word of advice is to get some anti bot camp pads or use a group camping set up to discourage bot usage if you must use camping. This is not against TOS so that is just wasting your time.

I dont think that anyone sits there pointing at a camping spot for hours on end. If you look on the internet I have seen sites that say that they sell camping scripts. Put SL cheats in your search and you will see the sites that come up

There are sites where they sell scripts. They do confirm that their are bot scripts and all sorts of other bad scripts being used in sl:

http://www.mmorpguides.com/sl/

http://www.strategyfreaks.com/games/second_life/

And bots violate TOS because they acts against residents. People cannot have several accounts, except if they pay for that. I dont think that those bots owners pay for something. What they do, in short, is steal money from other because they get spots and only take them out when SL restarts.

The thing of it is...that there are so many SL accounts that sl doesnt check to see who has what account.

Yes, this is common knowledge. All that CCTV was getting at, is that many of these bots don't rely on LSL through the regular Second Life client, instead they are smaller purpose-built clients typically built around something like libsecondlife. You aren't going to be able to write any magic scripted tool that will disable these things, your choices are really to go places where they won't work, or join in and do the same.


Camping bots aren't acting against residents, they are working _for_ residents, namely those residents who place camping pads mainly to create artificial traffic. Many people who put up camping pads don't care where the avatars come from, as long as they get the numbers. Those are the people who aren't interested in doing anything if you tell them that bots are taking the spots.

(editing to add: it can be argued that the owners of some large camping sites are acting against residents, but that is a whole different issue.)

Is that acting against residents? No. Camping money comes from private individuals who are free to give as much or as little as they want to whomever (or whatever) they like, and they are free to enforce their preferences or not as they choose. Its their money to throw away. and of course, there are ways to get Lindens in world that a bot simply can't do, such as making and selling stuff, providing entertainment, camping sites that require you to be at the keyboard, some wacky schemes involving teleporting, and so on. And, you are always free to buy Lindens. Of course, all these require you to actively be at the computer, and aren't suitable if you want to be away from the keyboard (and there really isn't much of a difference between an AFK user on the regular client and someone running a bot! Either way there is nobody home).


There is still some old documentation around suggesting otherwise, but this is no longer the case. In fact, LL won't even offer to take your money for additional basic accounts any more.

I disagree. Camping bots acts against nice residents, those ones who are on SL to have fun, create, make friends aand so on. Camping bots are working for bad residents, those ones who use of bad tools and ways to take some advantage over others. Just a remark: I am not talking about big campings (in fact I hate them, they are too cold, at very ugly places).



I think SL dont care about bots - even dont charge multiple accounts - because SL need numbers too. How many of those almost 32000 users online are real persons? The worst is in this way SL is playing as owners bots, is doing the same. If SL dont care, it will be very painful soon. It should be better for everyone if things were dif.

"Acting against residents" is a broad claim and isn't listed in the ToS as a violation.

Bots aren't against ToS, as LL has repeatedly made clear.

I can't think of any way to automatically detect bots or camper aids and eject them. If anyone else has them, feel free to pipe up!

The bots are doing the camping site owners a favor by boosting their traffic ratings. That is the primary purpose for camping chairs. The fact that many residents get a few $L from it is more of a side effect than the purpose (from the standpoint of the site owner).

Most of us hate camping because it drags down the sim and makes LL a less interesting place. Owners who make camping sites are "working against residents", since they reduce the performance for the whole region they're in, with little benefit to neighboring landowners. However, it's legal, and we can't stop it.

And I DO like the fact that newbies have SOME way to earn $L. However, if there were no camping, perhaps industrious people would find a BETTER way to put newbies to "work", that would be more interesting and profitable for the newbies, and less a drain on SL. After all, WHO benefits from an avatar sitting at a spot even though the *person* is AFK? In general, this does NOT benefit SL!

Sorry, I don't want to turn this into a rant against camping (while I've done that). I just want to point out that these things depend on your point of view. Camping is "acting against residents", but it's not a ToS violation. We HATE what it does to a sim! If you're ever a property owner and someone puts a big camping site up near you, you'll see what I mean.

How many of those 32,000 users are campers who are away from their keyboards (AFK)? What's the point of encouraging THAT? The only good side is it gives newbies a way to earn income, but I sure would like to see us find better ways for THAT!

Thanks Viktoria -- usually i don't get defended lmao.

Aniela -- those sites that you mentioned are hack sites. There is no information in there that you can't get from the wiki or inworld. Its all BS. In fact, they are typically behind the times as far as exploits or any kind of cheat. And any of the scripts that are available can be found in the scripting library. I tried it last year and I want my 20 bucks back.

Bots are commercially available in world and on the internet but not at those sites. And I would venture to say that Mmoguides has similiar content to that of strategy freaks -- it appears they offer and boast about the same thing.


Here's a thought that most people generally don't consider. I hear a lot of hullaballoo over camping and a lot of breath is wasted talking about BIAB. Now most people that mention the fact that the BIABers are using camping to get attention -- do you consider those to be nice people? Well join the biab bot army and go take their money. They usually go out of business anyway so why not help them along.

*What I am saying its a pernicious script around that, YES, violate TOS because make someone steal the spot you are camping.*

A bot can't steal a pad that someone is sitting on so no -- it is not in violation of TOS. It can only take control of that pad after someone stands. The same way you would by left clicking.

And before you all think I am a bot general or anything let me state that -- I build camping systems. But i build solutions that try to prevent abuse and reduce lag by offering several measures to try and protect the SIM owner and his dollars. So yes, I do own a bot for testing purposes.

Soooo.. there are the bots defenders... Of course bots are the best thing on SL for who owns lands and for camp programmers. Virus business is quite similar, as hack ones too: as viruses/bots will becoming "better" programmers have to write new stuff... that never ends..

Curiously I know some lands where camp is not the priority, but you will see events running every week, and everyday it´s plenty of people. Real people, chatters, party. it´s a true community. They dont need buy (yes, is the right term) bots to make numbers.

If I was someone interested to have something commercial or for business on SL I will be very very upset and Iwould look for legal support if I find what I am seeing are bots and not people. Bots as traffic? In this way, things wont go ahead. But, its a choice.

But all people reading this topic will agree: the resident number showing at SL start/website is not real, is not true. Its a TL.. a third life inside SL.

I wish this issue works as warming for everybody: the need to take care of it.

regards,
Aniela

What you are failing to realize is this: land owners who use camping to boost their traffic generally DO NOT CARE if they are paying bots or actual human players. An avatar is an avatar for traffic purposes which is the only reason camping exists in the first place. It's not intended to create "communities" at all and quite frankly, having been around quite a few camping places (just passing through) I would be hard pressed to tell a human from a bot, they all seem pretty zombie-like to me sitting there, wasting sim resources.

Heh...
http://www.your2ndplace.com/node/635

What most here are not realizing is if bots are for traffic purposes then we are dealing with a very big lie. Yes, SL is a lie, nothing more than simple illusion.

What about people try be a bit creative and populate their sims with real people? If bots are the best of the best to shows how numerous is the population on sim, so why have residents? Bots are for business purposes too? Things can be hidden at first look but they will come visible and disgusting soon...

But, as I said, everything is a choice issue...

In fact, anyone who has been using SL for more than a short time is fully aware of that. This is why there really isn't much sympathy for your cause. It doesn't matter if you think you are not a bot, fake traffic is fake traffic, and most camping is nothing more than fake traffic.

Earlier in this thread I did list some alternatives, types of camping and alternatives to camping that add value to the SL economy in at least a token way. The modeling alternative is more than a token contribution, it's really helpful to see how a worn item looks on a real avatar. Some of the alternatives allow you to go out and see some new places and perhaps interact with other people. But perhaps it is easier to stand around and feel wronged than to do something constructive.

These aren't against TOS. They simply kick you off in an obnoxious manner...

Why is everyone calling camping "earning" money? Campers don't work, they get paid for nothing. It's begging.

I think if camping were to go, SL would develop a low wage work sector - maybe we could get sales attendants in shops, then!