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PG vs Mature

DJ Earnshaw
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11-28-2007 05:42
As discussed in /327/65/226188/1.html when I do a search for a place and do not check Mature, I still get both PG and Mature places. Apparently the search is only checking flags on parcels, and not the sim they are in.

I thought the reason you had PG regions and Mature regions was so that people offended by mature content did not run across it. The sign in the freebie store on help island saying nudity is forbidden in PG sims implies this. I did a search for Money Tree, without the box checked, and I got SUPREME FETISHIST BDSM CLUB If that is not Mature, what is?????

I believe search should check both the parcel flag and the region setting.
Walker Moore
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11-28-2007 05:48
Mature content is forbidden in PG sims.
Mature content is allowed in mature sims, but that doesn't mean every parcel contains mature content.

However, if you have mature content on your land, you should check that mature content box to prevent it showing up in Search > Places when the mature content box is NOT ticked. I'll let the parcel owner know. They probably don't realise.
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Viktoria Dovgal
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11-28-2007 05:50
There is already a JIRA entry marked resolved for this, see https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3023 for the details.
Walker Moore
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11-28-2007 05:55
It's irrelevant though. The Mature Content box in Search does not relate to PG & Mature sims. It relies on parcel owners flagging the 'Mature Content' box in their land options screen. If there is mature content on their land and they don't do this, they're vulnerable to abuse reports.

WarKirby has indicated all this in the first comment.
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Viktoria Dovgal
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11-28-2007 06:04
From: Walker Moore
It's irrelevant though.

That is what reading the JIRA entry would confirm, yes.
DJ Earnshaw
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11-28-2007 07:08
From: Walker Moore
Mature content is forbidden in PG sims.
Mature content is allowed in mature sims, but that doesn't mean every parcel contains mature content.

However, if you have mature content on your land, you should check that mature content box to prevent it showing up in Search > Places when the mature content box is NOT ticked. I'll let the parcel owner know. They probably don't realise.


If I did a PG search (don't check mature) and got 95% PG and an occasional mature, I would agree with you. Ask the parcel owner to set the flag

But when I do a PG search and more than half of the entries are mature, it means they want to lure people to Mature sims, and once there they cannot claim they are offended. If they were, they should not have come there.

The JIRA entry is WRONG. They don't have to spend a lot of LL time checking every parcel. All they need to do is check both the parcel flag and the sim flag, and not return an entry in search if either says mature, if the search did not ask for mature results
Walker Moore
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11-28-2007 08:06
From: DJ Earnshaw
The JIRA entry is WRONG. They don't have to spend a lot of LL time checking every parcel. All they need to do is check both the parcel flag and the sim flag, and not return an entry in search if either says mature, if the search did not ask for mature results
The JIRA entry is RIGHT. That is EXACTLY how search is intended to work. A mature sim is NOT mature content. As the vast majority of sims are mature, and mature sims tend NOT to be dominated by mature content, you would effectively render search useless, denying the vast majority of landowners in SL a place in search at all.

If somebody is abusing the search system and it bothers you so much, then file an abuse report. Get all your friends to do the same.
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DJ Earnshaw
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11-28-2007 08:40
From: Walker Moore
As the vast majority of sims are mature, and mature sims tend NOT to be dominated by mature content, you would effectively render search useless, denying the vast majority of landowners in SL a place in search at all.


Maybe the problem is that there are too many mature sims and not enough PG sims, vorcing PG businesses to locate on mature sims even if they are not mature.

Or maybe search needs two check boxes, one for mature location, and one for mature content.

Search is useless now, for someone that wants businesses on PG sims.
Ceera Murakami
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11-28-2007 13:41
From: DJ Earnshaw
Or maybe search needs two check boxes, one for mature location, and one for mature content.
We have that now. The location is mature or not based upon the sim checkbox. The parcel is mature content if the parcel flag for 'Mature Content' is checked. It just doesn't work as restrictively as you would like it to.

The only problem here is the number of "Mature Content" businesses that fail to check the "Mature Content" flag for their parcel. Too many people in SL care more about making a fast buck than they do about offending easily-offended people. It's like an Adult Bookstore that has an innocent-looking store front, and you don't see the porn until you walk inside. If they are doing that, they are breaking the rules here and you have every right to Abuse report them. Ditto if they are running an x-rated business in a PG sim.

I used to regularly walk through an 8 block area in the downtown area of a major US city, because my business office was on one side of that area, and the data center that my company rented computers at was on the other side. The area was a chaotic mix of book stores (G to PG rated), Tobacco and Magazine shops (Some stuff relaing mostly to Adult interests, Adult magaxines in the back, behind a wall that clearly said "Adults Only beyond thos point".), Antique Stores, Business offices, Adult Movie Theatres / book stores (XXX hardcore), Candy stores... you name it. Anyone visually scanning the area for what sort of businesses were there would get a very diferent perspective depending on which store front they were looking at. No one was forced to walk into the Adults-only businesses. You were free to walk right on past the door and ignore it. No one is forcing you to go to the BDSM club that fails to check their "Mature Parcel" flag. AR them, if it bugs you so much, or ignore it and click on the next ad.
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DJ Earnshaw
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11-28-2007 14:32
From: Ceera Murakami
We have that now. The location is mature or not based upon the sim checkbox. The parcel is mature content if the parcel flag for 'Mature Content' is checked. It just doesn't work as restrictively as you would like it to.

The only problem here is the number of "Mature Content" businesses that fail to check the "Mature Content" flag for their parcel.


I disagree we have that now. If 95% of the hits on a search without Mature Content were on PG Sims reporting the others would work. But I checked several searches, and more than half were on Mature Sims

That does not guarantee they have Mature Content, any more than the Burger King between the Brothel and the Adult Book Store means it carries anything the other Burger King between the Baptist Church and the Jewish Synagogue does. It just means that hookers and perverts eat hamburgers just as Baptists and Jews. But if I feel hungry for a Whopper, I know which one I would rather go to.

Is there a list of all of the SIMs somewhere, so that I can pull out a list of the PG ones?
Ceera Murakami
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11-29-2007 07:53
The point here is, the search checkbox for showing mature contents in your search results or not is only looking at the parcel flag. Because only the checked parcel flag is an intentional representation by the parcel owner that they do have mature content there. Just being in a mature sim does NOT mean that mature content will be everywhere you look. The Mature checkbox being checked for the sim simply means that the local zoning allows adult content, if the land owner wants it.

For example, I have a store in a Mature sim, where I sell clothes and furniture. It's strictly G-rated stuff. I am in that Mature sim because it is the commercial double-prim land that was available from my sim owner in trade, when I needed to get rid of my former Mature home parcel (which certainly *was* flagged mature) after buying a new home parcel from someone else. Excluding Mature sims from your search would exclude my store, which has a stunning example of Chinese architecture on the parcel, as an example of my building work. There is nothing at all near my store that I can recall, that is "adult content".

Even if you had your desired additional search restrict checkbox, there would be no way, short of providing your clients with a custom SL Client (Like CSI: Miami did via the OnRez viewer) that you can prenvent them, once here, from seeing mature content in Search. And it still wouldn't prevent you from listing G-rated places in PG sims that happen to be right next to the border of a Mature sim, where anything goes!

I can sympathize with your desire to show the "nicer side" of SL to people who might be offended by the darker side. But the bottom line is, once they log in to SL, there is no way you can prevent them from seeing that it's an Adult-oriented environment. It's better, in my opinion, to be quite honest about that fact, and just tell them up front that SL has some great G and PG-rated areas, but that they really need to be aware that it also has many very XXX rated areas too. Forewarned is forearmed, and all that.

There is only one good content filter - your brain. Search, the way it works now, and just don't add to your referral list any sites that don't meet your criteria. If you aren't sure if a site is clean enough for your list, go take a look, and evaluate it for yourself. No one will tar and feather you for setting foot in an adult business by mistake, or for stopping at an innocent store in a PG sim that happens to be across the sim border from an adult-oriented business in a Mature sim.
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DJ Earnshaw
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11-29-2007 10:31
From: Ceera Murakami
SL has some great G and PG-rated areas.


I agree. And what I am asking for is a search tool that will find them, or a list of them.

I don't mind telling people that might be offended just make sure you only visit sims on this list, or make sure when you do a search it has this box checked, or that box unchecked.