Land Management

In the new release notes for 1.12 it states the following:
** Group land on estate has been changed
*** Land on estates, owned by a group or by anyone other than the estate owner, can no longer be subdivided or joined
*** Only parcels that are owned by the estate owner can be subdivided
*** Only Estate Owners and Estate Managers can subdivide the estate owner’s parcels

So If I understand this correctly,
1) If a person or group buys land on a private estate they can no longer subdivide or join the land they own.
2) If land on a estate is sold no one who bought the land can subdivide or join the land they own and the owner of the estate can no longer subdivide or join the land for the person who purchased it.
3) Only the estate owner or manager can subdivide or join land if the estate owner owns it so if you have a land owner on your estate and they want land subdivided or joined they first have to sell the land back to the estate owner so it can be subdivided or joined then sold back to the person who bought it?
Am I reading something wrong or are we now going to have to baby sit every person who buys land on an estate every time they want something changed? If this is the case what in the world is LL thinking.

Yeah... I had my own run in with this.

My boyfriend (who pays for my land) called me to tell me he was back on and had some news.

He could no longer edit or manage the land, despite the fact that he's an officer of the land group and pays for it. I, instead, was the owner on the land and no one else could touch it.

Anyone else have this problem?

It's worse than you think.

Not even the land *owner* can subdivide or join land on an island. Only the Estate owner (island owner) or manager can do it.

It is worse then that because if the land owner isn’t the estate owner then no one can change the land not one single person. The land owner has to transfer the land back to the estate owner then the change can be made, then the land has to be transferred back to the right land owner. So now when ever a land owner wants to cut up land because they want different streaming settings its going to be a circus.

Unfortunately, we've run into this problem as well on group-owned sims. No one, not even the person who actually owns the sim, can join or subdivide the land. In order to do so, the sim owner would have to reclaim the land, let the estate managers, or himself, edit the parcels, then restore the sim to the group. Such a waste of time.

At the very least, estate owners and managers should always be allowed to join and subdivide land. I know it's a "feature" and not a bug, but I've bug reported it, per the suggested made by Torley (I believe...) some time ago, about features that we think don't work in accordance with expected behavior.

I'm honestly not sure what threat exists regarding allowing land owners to join and subdivide parcels under their control. Perhaps I'm missing something, but I'm very curious why this change was deliberately made.

Wow, what an aweful change!!! I'm always subdividing and rejoining subplots of my sim for different uses... now we're stuck with whatever plotlines we have when the upgrade came out?

LL, I mean really... Does anyone think these things through? This is really a stupid change. I understand you may have your reasons, but work out your reasons WITHOUT destroying one of the fundamental tools of land ownership.

Really... WTF?

-Ghoti

I agree, but ... the land owner should get at least a notification about the modification the estate owner did.

I liked it the way it was before: land owners were able to subdivide and join pieces of their land, and estate owners had to be officers of the appropriate land owner group or reclaim the land.

Mel

Wait... am I seeing this right....? Now we don't even have an actual read-out of how large the plot is, either?

I'm used to looking in the first tab of About Land to see how big the plot is.. .that info is gone now.

Really? This has GOT to be a bug. Don't they have anyone double-checking this stuff? LL could NOT think this is correct functioning.

-Ghoti

Estate manager's can't do it, either. I checked last night. I am an estate manager for Wailele Isle. I tried to subdivide a section of land that is owned by the sim owner, to set aside a new parcel for purchase. I could do this prior to 1.12, and I can not do it now. The sim owner checked the roles and made sure I had that ability defined for a role that I am in, and I still can't do it.

So... Only the sim owner can sub-divide parcels now.

Yes, that is another definite bug in the new release. It's impossible to determine the size of a parcel now, except by using "select Land" in the edit terrain controls. And THAT only works if the parcel is a neat rectangle that you can select all at once!

Dear Linden Labs,

Please bring back the plot size display.

And while you're at it, return the act of subdividing group owned land to the pre-1.12 functionality. (I.e. make it work.)


- d.

There is a way to see the total plot size although it is still annoying. Found this one out a little late. Right click on the land and select "Edit Terrain" it will give you the full plot size there. Still not a fix...but at least we have the information.

ummmm remember who your asking this question about.... look at the last month of updates and then re ask that question

Yeah this totally sucks, and I hope it will be fixed or I think private sim owners who rent land out have just been given the shaft (nothing like killing the competition).

I rent 11,000+ meters on a private sim, it's deeded to my group, and before officers of the group could subdivide and join. This was great for advertising, music streams, and segrating different parts of my land for different purposes. After the update it just so happened that I needed to join 2 pieces and found out that I could not even though I am both officer and owner of my group and that option is in my abilities. Not to mention the fact I pay the rent every month. I had to call the SIM owner to do it (so much for being able to delegate).

I love having land on a private sim for the vast terriform options available, but this last sna fu is just about enough to make me throw in the towel.

I assume that this will be fixed in one of out regularly scheduled wednesday updates or I will be a bag lady at a telehub, building at a sandbox, while listening to my ipod.

raya

It's even WORSE WORSE than that. Even as the Estate/Island Owner (Enchanted & Escape) I can't subdivide a Group Owned parcel. I am also an Officer in the Group.

This is CRAZY!

Got an even nastier issue for you. I own two sims and had set both of them to specific groups so I could delegate some land management functions. One sim is broken into several smaller sections, and one of those needed to be merged with its neighbor this evening. I tried to edit the borders, and as the sim owner, you would expect to be able to. I finally noticed that reclaim land was an option, and clicked it. It immediately auto returned EVERYTHING on the property even though it was group owned. WTF?? All the land on the sim is group owned, so if I try to adjust any of it, it will all auto return now? HELP!!!!

manage parcel divisions now. Estate Managers like me can’t do that part of their jobs.

Someone was NOT thinking or talking to sim owners or estate managers when they added in this un-asked for “feature”.

I own estaes i have estate mangers also so they can cut, subdivide , or join parcels, while keeping the land in a group. we need to get this changed back to be able to cut, suddivide, and join land again. I really hope someone in SL is listening to this and put it back or allow us to be able to do it again PLEASE we are begging

ONCE AGAIN WE ARE BEGGING TO BE ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE, AND JOIN PARCELS WHILE IN THE GROUP ON PRIVATE ESTATES, THE PEOPLE HOW BUY, OR RENT ON OUR SIMS SHOULD HAVE THIS RIGHT WITHOUT HAVING TO ASK THE OWNER, I am a sim owner you should talk to us first before doing something like this. If we are the people who make second life happen don't u think it would be right to ask our opinion??? Please reconsider Thank you....

is there any change to this situation???

Hi Yosh,

please see here: http://blog.secondlife.com/2006/08/29/cover-story/

*hugs* Mel