ZOMG!! The Audacity! Part II
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MadamG Zagato
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06-27-2006 14:39
I was informed by an associate that someone had made a full blown copy of my shop which I built prim by prims over a period of time. The individual who shall remain unnamed was never given my permission to duplicate my build! Furthermore, where did the textures come from? I sure didn't pass them out! As far as I know, those textures are sitting in my inventory, less they be retreived using the ever popular SL Hack that inconsiderate people seem to use to steal skins, textures, and now we see...entire structures! No matter how hard I try to be original and develop my own ideas here, there's always someone who does not have the creative ability to come up with their own ideas and steal others. If you are going to populate an entire island with my prefabs, fine...but have enough creativity to come up with your own G** Da*m Store! No wait, those aren't my prefabs...when I right click on them, I am not even the creator anymore! WTF???!! I said that my store is not for sale, that does NOT give you the right to hack, steal or otherwise use my textures without my permission and create it on your land. Just because you are not selling copies of it, does NOT make it right! Here are pictures of my store: http://www.never30.com/Marketing/snapshots/mystore_001.bmphttp://www.never30.com/Marketing/snapshots/mystore_002.bmphttp://www.never30.com/Marketing/snapshots/mystore_003.bmphttp://www.never30.com/Marketing/snapshots/mystore_004.bmphttp://www.never30.com/Marketing/snapshots/mystore_005.bmphttp://www.never30.com/Marketing/snapshots/mystore_006.bmphttp://www.never30.com/Marketing/snapshots/mystore_007.bmp Here are pictures of the rip-off store: http://www.never30.com/Marketing/snapshots/copies_001.bmphttp://www.never30.com/Marketing/snapshots/copies_002.bmphttp://www.never30.com/Marketing/snapshots/copies_003.bmphttp://www.never30.com/Marketing/snapshots/copies_004.bmphttp://www.never30.com/Marketing/snapshots/copies_005.bmphttp://www.never30.com/Marketing/snapshots/copies_006.bmphttp://www.never30.com/Marketing/snapshots/copies_007.bmphttp://www.never30.com/Marketing/snapshots/copies_008.bmp If you visit the location at: VooDoo(101,79,31) Then Visit my store at Chicagon(88,125,111) If you visit the location, you can look outside of the store and see all my textures on what appear to be my buildings stacked up like pancakes. Then when you visit my store you will see the original which were made by myself and are all done by original textures in PS. I always saw these types of posts where people would complain about stuff like this. I now fully understand your pain and sympathize with you on a completely "real" level. If you are wondering, and before you ask, I have spoken with the individual and the structure was still standing when I made this post.
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Tya Fallingbridge
Proud Prim Whore
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06-27-2006 14:46
I feel for you and sorry this has happened 
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Corvus Drake
Bedroom Spelunker
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06-27-2006 14:48
I feel sorry for you as well.
Though you technically just advertised the other store. If the other store cuts prices below yours, you just screwed yourself.
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Io Zeno
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06-27-2006 14:53
From: Corvus Drake I feel sorry for you as well. Though you technically just advertised the other store. If the other store cuts prices below yours, you just screwed yourself. I don't think she is saying they are selling her items, it's that they copied her build, prim for prim, and the textures used in it. (I couldn't get many of the pics to load). You can send a compliant to the Lindens with the evidence and links, but I haven't heard of one successful outcome from such an attempt.
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MadamG Zagato
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06-27-2006 15:16
Yes, that is correct. They have duplicated my builds. Visit the locations in-world and you will see exactly why am a in such protest.
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milady Guillaume
Shhhh, I'm researching!
Join date: 28 Dec 2003
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06-27-2006 15:16
Perhaps those SL users that are honest won't rent a booth in their store until they manage to build their own rather than copy yours.
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MadamG Zagato
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06-27-2006 15:38
From: milady Guillaume Perhaps those SL users that are honest won't rent a booth in their store until they manage to build their own rather than copy yours. Yes perhaps. I certainly won't be renting or shopping there...or doing anything else there for that matter...except filing an AR! 
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MadamG Zagato
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06-27-2006 16:32
From: milady Guillaume Perhaps those SL users that are honest won't rent a booth in their store until they manage to build their own rather than copy yours. Yes perhaps. I certainly won't be renting or shopping there...or doing anything else there for that matter...except filing an AR!
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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
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06-27-2006 16:57
I have a contact in VooDoo management... will be contacting him. I think the irony is that a certain events manager, who is semifamous for rants is the one directly responsible. I can't name names but I will bring up whenever she sqwauks.
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bladyblue Bommerang
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06-27-2006 19:58
Hey MadamG you came by and even gave me a non transfer texture after I bought copyable versions of all of your pre-fabs for sale and themed the whole sim (except the dance club) after your builds. I also bought every part of your photo studio and you provided great support for it. I guess when I would no longer assist you with your ISSUE you decided today that you took offense. How convenient.
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Devlin Gallant
Thought Police
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06-27-2006 20:16
Damn! The thieves, griefers, and assclowns are just POURING into SL. 
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Infiniview Merit
The 100 Trillionth Cell
Join date: 27 Apr 2006
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06-27-2006 20:26
That Blows!
I admire your creativity and style of architecture. Some people just need to grow a brain.
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MadamG Zagato
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06-27-2006 20:31
From: bladyblue Bommerang Hey MadamG you came by and even gave me a non transfer texture after I bought copyable versions of all of your pre-fabs for sale and themed the whole sim (except the dance club) after your builds. I also bought every part of your photo studio and you provided great support for it. Just in need of some forum attention I guess. First of all, I never came by anywhere and gave you anything. Secondly, I have not seen one of my prefabs with me as the creator. They all appear to be created by someone else! But the same exact textures and floorplans. So it appears that they have been re-built as copies. The only way I would have given you a texture for any reason would be if you had said that you messed up a prefab and wanted to have the texture to fix it. I do not just pass around my textures like candy for irresponsible people to use and build an entire sim!!! Why would I give you my textures to duplicate my own shop and the buildings I worked so hard at creating? That'd be just plain stupid. And speaking of attention, it looks more like you are the one who needed attention by re-creating my builds. The audacity you have and the general nerve to post here and tell me that I am in need of forum attention when YOU are the one who blatantly copied my work!? Well I guess I got YOUR attention didn't I? So did those AR's I filed against those bulds. That should get your attention as well. Besides, that's what the forums are for...to get attention for subjects and things that you want to bring attnention to. So yes! I was in need of forum attention. And I got it! Thanks! P.S. If you want to be a creative genius, go buy Photoshop and create your own textures.
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Aaah Chu
Napkin please?
Join date: 24 Jun 2006
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06-27-2006 20:44
From: bladyblue Bommerang Hey MadamG you came by and even gave me a non transfer texture after I bought copyable versions of all of your pre-fabs for sale and themed the whole sim (except the dance club) after your builds. I also bought every part of your photo studio and you provided great support for it. I guess when I would no longer assist you with your ISSUE you decided today that you took offense. How convenient. Blah blah blah... no matter what she says there's no excuse for stealing
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MadamG Zagato
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06-27-2006 20:54
From: bladyblue Bommerang Hey MadamG you came by and even gave me a non transfer texture after I bought copyable versions of all of your pre-fabs for sale and themed the whole sim (except the dance club) after your builds. I also bought every part of your photo studio and you provided great support for it. I guess when I would no longer assist you with your ISSUE you decided today that you took offense. How convenient. Why did you edit your post? Original Post:From: bladyblue Bommerang Hey MadamG you came by and even gave me a non transfer texture after I bought copyable versions of all of your pre-fabs for sale and themed the whole sim (except the dance club) after your builds. I also bought every part of your photo studio and you provided great support for it. Just in need of some forum attention I guess. Whatever "issue' you are referring must be a part of that imaginary world you are building over there. If I had an "issue" I would not go to you for assistance due to the fact that you: - Are not on my SL friends list
- Are not on my RL friends list
- I do not see anything in your character that would lead me to believe that you could assist me in any way, with any thing, at any time. Especially not now that I have seen what you are capable of doing.
So please do not refer to imaginary "issues". If you want to make things up, please do so in the "Imagination Forum". You cannot complicate the "issue" at hand by changing the subject and attempting to make it look as if I have wronged you in some way. You have somehow blatanly used my textures and recreated my structures. You must have spent a lot of time in my store to do that... So not only did you decide to recreate my shop without my permission, but you were calculating at it as well.
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bladyblue Bommerang
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06-27-2006 21:01
From: MadamG Zagato First of all, I never came by anywhere and gave you anything. You did give me a non-transfer texture from your pre-fab. You gave it to me on May 23rd - Its entitled: Brick 008 and it says the creator is Drift Monde. Remember now? When you came by two days ago to ask a favor you said it was a nice build. If you had issue you should have said something to me then. You did ask me where I got the red and I told you who gave it to me on a prim, months ago. You said as long as I wasnt selling it it was ok. I have no products for sale anywhere so thats not a issue. You are just trying to 'punish' me for not involving myself in your personal problems. I am not at all concerned about any of this. Your outrage is not based on artistic integrity at all. Tell your 'supporters' what your real problem is. Perhaps not so much suport after they know. Bye Bye.
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MadamG Zagato
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06-27-2006 21:02
From: bladyblue Bommerang You did give me a non-transfer texture from your pre-fab. You gave it to me on May 23rd - Its entitled: Brick 008 and it says the creator is Drift Monde. Remember now? When you came by two days ago to ask a favor you said it was a nice build. If you had issue you should have said something to me then. You did ask me where I got the red and I told you who gave it to me on a prim, months ago. You said as long as I wasnt selling it it was ok. I have no products for sale anywhere so thats not a issue. You are just trying to 'punish' me for not involving myself in your personal problems. I am not at all concerned about any of this. Your outrage is not based on artistic integrity at all. Tell your 'supporters' what your real problem is. Perhaps not so much suport after they know. Bye Bye. What?
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MadamG Zagato
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06-27-2006 21:22
Sorry, Just now got up from rolling on the floor laughing! Clap Clap Clap! Bravo! Somebody get that girl an Oscar! Are you writing a novel? That's the only way I could ever come up with a shovel full of s**t like that. It must be a novel you are writing! Please leave me out of it. Thank you. The Texture Brick 008 is not even one of the textures that you have perched up on your copied buildings and was not created by myslef. There are several OTHER TEXTURES WHICH I CREATED THAT YOU ARE USING WITHOUT MY PERMISSION! DON'T GO PLAYING GAMES IN THESE FORUMS WITH ME. YOU KNOW FULL WELL WHAT TEXTURES I AM TALKING ABOUT. THAT BRICK TEXTURE IS NOT THE ISSUE - and I never even saw the brick texture on you land. So you can squash that. The few converstaions I have had with you have never been anything close to what you describe. If I wanted to go and violate the TOS by posting up the exact conversation - I would. That would be great for you, then you could get me in trouble too huh? Naaahhhh I'll pass. But those imaginary conversations you are referring to? You need to AR them to the Lindens honey. Yeah. You know the "Include chat history" box? Put a check in it. Send that made up converstation to them as a rebutal ...k?? Yep. You do that. (oh you can't...they never happened). Rememebr, I did not name your name - YOU DID. So don't go getting all upset just because you have exposed yourself. I have allowed your "architecture" to stand for long enough and it's just time I stood up for myself. Perhaps if you'd have taken it down on request we wouldn't be here.
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Over Sleeper
I Dream in LSL
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06-27-2006 21:42
Why would she say anything about a brick texture that was not yours? I take it that those are not the textures that you are talking about? That whole bigruntogetherparagraph does not excuse or justify stealing someone else's textures and builds. I'd be willing to bet if she put her mind to it, she could come up with something just as nice for her land or island. I saw the 2 buildings and yes. They were obviously copied and yes, the person who did it must have spent a lot of time in MadamG's store looking at the architecture. When I see something I like, I don't take snapshots of it and rereate it, I may take 1 snapshot to rememebr it, but I use it as a source of inspiration to make something unique...not an exact copy. Seems like there's 2 kinds in SL, those who create and those who copy. Also, the use of paragraphs blady are more easy on the eyes. Please try to use them. Paragraphs are our friends. I wish you the best blady, but I hope you reconsider the structures on your land. MadamG seems to have a valid complaint whether you obtained the textures legally or not. Did she also hand you her shop in a box too? Highly unlikely.
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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
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06-27-2006 23:36
From: bladyblue Bommerang Hey MadamG you came by and even gave me a non transfer texture after I bought copyable versions of all of your pre-fabs for sale and themed the whole sim (except the dance club) after your builds. I also bought every part of your photo studio and you provided great support for it. I guess when I would no longer assist you with your ISSUE you decided today that you took offense. How convenient. Lets not forget when she said Torley was being racist.... This is the one I was talking about, I already contacted my former employer over the theft. Hell, I take things as INSPIRATION. Building a new gazebo. yes I like some style, but I make it my own variation..directly copying is just sad.
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MadamG Zagato
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06-27-2006 23:56
From: Jonas Pierterson Lets not forget when she said Torley was being racist.... ? Sorry not sure I understand if you are talking about me or her? I never called Torley a racist.
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nimrod Yaffle
Cavemen are people too...
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06-28-2006 00:04
From: MadamG Zagato ? Sorry not sure I understand if you are talking about me or her? I never called Torley a racist. I try to stay out of these things, but I think Jonas was talking about her. Try not to get too hostile and try to stay on topic. I know it's a tough time right now, but stay cool. 
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MadamG Zagato
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06-28-2006 00:11
From: nimrod Yaffle I try to stay out of these things, but I think Jonas was talking about her. Try not to get too hostile and try to stay on topic. I know it's a tough time right now, but stay cool.  /winks
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Fiona Cork
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06-28-2006 00:18
From: bladyblue Bommerang I bought copyable versions of all of your pre-fabs for sale and themed the whole sim (except the dance club) after your builds. So . . . If you ignore the excuses and the red herrings in that paragraph . . . what your saying is . . . that you did it?
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Strife Onizuka
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06-28-2006 03:35
This is a private dispute, and sould be resolved in private as per forum guidelines. I'm locking the thread as to promote it's resolution in private.
Oh and from my view of the screen shots, the only thing that looks like a direct lift is the red tinted wood floor; which i believe is based on a publicly available wood texture.
As to the other textures, they are just good copies; personaly i like the darker lighting in the copy better.
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