A call for MORE new land release to be URGENTLY ACCELERATED

I would like to see more sims brought on line so the price of land continues to drop. I feel that reducing the barrier to initial ownership will help increase the retention rate of new SL citizens.

What do you think?

~Ulrika~

Ulrika if you make another thread with Hillary Clinton for president as a poll choice I will be forced to put you on ignore.

If Hillary were president, she'd support the release of more land.

~Ulrika~

Considering the entire progression path to sim ownership is based upon wanting access to more prims/content storage, seeing land prices fall is a good thing. To the extent it may or may not mean [insert name here] isn't making as much cash out as they once did, I think it is also a good thing. Not because it is hurting their wallet, but because that isn't and shouldn't be the highest priority to Linden Labs.

This poll is so vague and subjective that it's laughable.

How about numbers?
Like:"
m^2 / new resident?
m^2 / (delta)L$
m^2 / month?

I mean, c'mon... what's "Average" and "slow" mean, anyway? One man's slow release of land is another man's fast.

My guess is "average" should mean "fast enough to just match population growth and hold prices steady" so I voted for that, due to my pathetic obsession with stability. Don't care what the price is. Just want it steady. Stops speculation, helps business planning.

I wanted to vote Other, but there wasn't an option for that.

I think "land" needs to be devalued, and the entire system switched to a server/data-storage scheme... Land is wanted, land is provided, from the lindens, at cost + a profit margin, wjhatever profit margin LL thinks is fair.

Fascinating! Would users be charged by bandwidth, disk usage, or both? How do you think that would affect SL's image as the creator of a virtual world? Wouldn't they just become a like web-server provider then?

~Ulrika~

I specifically phrased it in qualitative terms because average users will have no reference point with which to compare quantitative values. Not everyone is land savvy like we are.

~Ulrika~

Ah.. so you post to hear yourself talk. I see.

Not to derail your personal attack but, technically, I would post to read myself write.

~Ulrika~

I'm operating under the assumption that our current tier covers bandwidth and data storage both, albiet perhaps in not a perfectly equitable fashion.

No, LL needs to stop introducing land for the time being. There is way too much of it.

Moved to Land and the Economy Forum for further discussion.

*Ellie kisses Jamie, tears of gratitude in her red, puffy little eyes*

Except for first land - its shortage is an inexplicable outrage.

And of course, its not one-sided. Increase the supply when prices rise.
Or do it some other way. Just stabilise the thing somehow, at some level or other.
Any economist will give you several ways to do it.
Kill the boom and bust cycles. Get some stability to encourage business investment.

What do you think this is, Phillip, after all ? A goddam game ?

Well... I sure am getting my feet wet in the forums today!

Guess it's due to no world access her at work!
Drat this First Life! (for now)

As you can see I'm new.. and only a month old
in-world so I will be the first to admit I know next
to nothing... I take criticism well, but don't beat me
up too badly my first day

Anyway, I'll put in my two Linden...

I think the amount of land "created"/added really
depends on what the Lindens are trying to do with SL.
Or, perhaps more exactly, what they're trying to
do with Linden Labs. Are they in business for fun
or for profit? I think most all of us will have to agree
that if they are in business for profit (and who is not)
then we MUST assume they hold their own priorities
above our own.... of course, to even HAVE a business
then they need to keep us (their clients) happy.

This means there is always going to have to be a little
more weight given to what would be best for Linden
Labs - the company.

For example..

What would be BEST for the SL economy is for Linden
Labs to plunk down a finite amount of land and say THERE.
The world is THIS big, and that's it. People will raise and
lower prices as needed, but in the end it will be VERY stable.
Prices may adjust some.. but it's all driven by supply and
demand. The real world works no differently. There is a
limited amount of Earth... and more people born every day.
Second Life land values could be as easy to predict as real
life land values... track the growth of population, etc..

However, this is NOT in the best interest of LL. because they
make more money by selling more server space! If they can
increase their own bank account by renting out 10 more sims
at $200/mo they will. And I can't say I blame them.... we're
all in this for a profit anyway, right? So, we should assume
LL will add land in such a manner as to maximize their own
income while not scaring away too many SL residents who
are here for our own financial experiments. The problem
with this is that they hold all the control, and have all the data.

For the most part, we can assume that it's in their own best
interest to keep the SL economy strong, and so in that, we
have a bit of stability... let's do the best with it!

If the amount of land continues to increase with the population,
then how is land value ever really going to go up?

Gabrielle

Welcome Gabrielle. Different viewpoints are what makes the forum swing.
But you have me a bit lost. I'm afraid.
Does the quote above assume there is a reason why land prices should increase? Why?

As for a fixed unchanging amount of land - well hmm.

We have an active population of maybe 20,000. How much land should there be by the time we reach 1,000,000 ?

If the current amount - impossible overcrowding.
If an amount able to accomodate 1,000,000 then during all the time it takes to get there, we will be paying to buy and maintain a huge number of vacant unused servers.

I surely must have very badly misunderstood you, mustn't I, as probably have some others?

What did you mean ? No sarcasm - genuine enquiry.

But in RL, people die, and there is more land that can be claimed. For instance where I live there was a big undeveloped area a few years ago, and now it's being developed.

In SL, I guess some people leave but no where near the rate in RL.