Are they getting rid of dwell?

I know that Developer Incentive thing will be elimintated in march.
Are they going to eliminate dwell bonuses too?

Eventually, yeah. They'll probably phase it out

They will get rid of that, the referral bonuses (half done as we speak), the 10% land bonus, traffic bonuses, and, ultimately, stipends. They will charge for everything possible.

They've already gotten rid of ratings bonuses, almost got rid of the free Classified section in the forums, and have gotten rid of the $250 bonus for giving events. There is still the $250 bonus for giving educational events, but I figure this will eventually be given only to a few people who make it into a special, hand-picked program.

coco

they should so much before.



they should so much before.



they should so much before.



they should so much before.



pay for raitings? were they doing this? glad i didnt see it.




You want your ART to be get paid? Then make ur lovely areas Land Pass Sell.
You want to be get paid because you are a good guy(behaviour rating)? Then you are not a good guy.

You want to be get paid because you are beautiful(appearance raiting)? The maker of you avi already get paid of it by you.

You want to be get paid because you are building good(building raiting)? Then sell what u built.

At last SL is being much more real. If you want to get paid because of what you do, THEN FIND A WAY, DO NOT WANT FROM LL.
*sry for grammer mistakes and bad english

My guess, probably.

Jeska posted in Announcements:

Referral Program Changes
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Effective today, we will be eliminating the $L1000 bonus for Basic Referrals.

The reasoning behind this move is twofold:

1. With the move to a Free model and the elimination of the credit card requirement, it has become increasingly difficult to justify economically

2. There has been a profusion of Referral-farming in recent weeks and we wish to eliminate the negative effect this may have on the L$ market value

Going forward, we will evaluate the effect of this change on the Linden dollar and implement a form of Referral Bonuses that makes more sense with Free Basic accounts. We have always valued all members of Second Life and will continue to do so; we just need to construct a way of showing that appreciation that doesn't present such a risk of abuse.

I imagine they will eventually.

Yes, well, I said the referral bonus was "half way done as we speak" because it says basic referrals. (How DO you spell referrals? lol) In other words, I'm assuming people would still get a bonus for referrals who get a premium account? or not?

coco

Khamon Grundy want Cookie too

I like SL because it isn't real. In real life I don't pay "tier" on land I own, I don't pay God a monthly fee to exist, and I can't fly. SL isn't real life. The more it becomes so the less I like it.

Content Provider Information session planned for Saturday, January 28th at 10Am PM and again at 3PM at Bear (Bear 153,182)

Linden Lab provides the platform for a fee and Content Providers pay that fee AND staff salaries AND purchase equipment needed to host events on their land. Traditionally, Linden Labs has subsidized their Content Providers each month to off-set their costs of producing events on a regular basis.

Second Life Content Providers need to get together and develop an alternate to the current DI program that is in place. Providing daily content to SL should not only be affordbable to those with large disposable monthly incomes. A entry-fee only system is not a plausible alternative to dwell payments and DI. Affordable entry fees is a option that all land owners can consider if they wish but LL continues to have some responsibility to assist those that provide content for SL.

I believe that allowing the Lindens to end Developer Incentives is wrong. Linden Labs does not advertise a vast desert. They advertise CONTENT developed by us. When a person logs onto the Second Life web page they see builds and activities designed by the residents. Linden Labs use to know that Content Providers needed to be compensated for their efforts. We must mobilize now before it's too late. Without DI many venues with staff and large tier fees will have to close up shop. Many players that work for these venues will loose their jobs. The end of DI will have a adverse effect on our economy. We must mobilize to fix the DI problem and save SL Content and our economy.

I have formed the group:"SL CONTENT PROVIDERS ASSOCIATION". To receive information about the planning group's activities please IM bladyblue Bommerang for a invite to this group. We need many if the top DI recipients to be represented in this group and all other concerned residents. Any Content Provider/Venue Owner that wants to be a officer in this group please contact me. Officers will work to draft proposals and lead discussion groups on their land.

Content Provider Information session planned for Saturday, January 28th at 10Am PM and again at 3PM at Bear (Bear 153,182).

Last I knew the bonus for educational events (aka instructor pay for teaching classes) is $500L per class At least that's what I got earlier today. As to the second part of the educational statement.... there aren't too many huge educational programs out there and it makes me wonder if people aren't already running into roadblocks to building highly competitive large educational programs.

Eh, I'm not sure I want a game where I get nickel and dimed to death just for looking around and amiring works. Micropayment systems like this usually fail because people hate getting stopped constantly and asked to plop down another 4 cents or whatever just to continue going. It breaks the immersion and makes the place feel seedy. Can you imagne a Second Life where everybody had their land set up with "buy pass" boxes? If I saw this when I first logged into the game, I'd have logged out and never come back.

My question was about dwell.
Does anybody have a link to the description about when and how they will eliminate dwell bonus?
Will the dwell bonuses be eliminated at the same time as the DI ?

There has been no announcement that Dwell is going away yet.

At most, there have been subtle hints from Linden that in the future, its possible it might be considered for removal. That future hasn't happened yet.

The only thing that is certain, is that the Developer Incentives (which are seperate from Dwell) are being phased out until completion on April 1, 2006.

Thanks for clearing that up! : )

Whatever the amount. I'm thinking that this may be GOM'd eventually, because the Lindens had that contest for making educational centers. Now I'm thinking they probably aren't doing that just to be helpful, but because they plan to put their OWN game plan in; thus making it harder for Teazers. That's just my own little guess.

As for the Content Providers Association, that sounds very, very good to me. People who make houses and clothes and avatars - items which people buy and keep - get compensated. But content is more than that - it's entertainment, places to go, things to do. Things to WIN.

This business of making everything just like the real world just doesn't work, cause, as I've summed it up before, you can't charge for virtual drinks. No matter how much and how hard they WANT it to work, I don't believe it will.

I see my time here - to be honest - as limited. As more places close down, the revolving-door players will stay for shorter periods of time. Because most professions simply don't work in this virtual world like selling houses and clothes do, we will eventually get simplified down to SL being mainly a couple of things:

You make stuff and sell it. Or you buy lindens and buy stuff. You may sell land. Or you buy land and put your house on it and enjoy your time with your friends there.

But - lots of the excitement will be gone, and there will be no way for new players to make money from older players. The events calender will get whittled down to only that which a few players consider chi-chi enough. Enough types of players will have been shamed out of the game ("blingtards" etc.), and enough types of entertainment will have been pushed out of the game (yard sales, at the moment), along with less and less coming from SL to support any large ventures such as Spitooney.

(Should they decide to pick and choose some ideas and give those players free land to do them on, or anything like that, the cries of favoritism will make that which has come before look like peeps of mild displeasure.)

This "real world" view - this dog-eat-dog sort of view - this idea of pure capitalism (which cannot exist in a limited, insular environment of an online virtual world) - this tough love idea (everything from "make your own money buddy, like I did, and stop being lazy and start scripting" to "IB signs in your back window? Tough, it's his right" - all this - well, it just isn't much fun.

I have been here only a year. I don't have the places anymore that I used to love going to (Spitooney, Backstage, Four Seasons), and though some are left, it just isn't looking good for the future. Those places just cannot sustain themselves without support. Also, you can't scrape up the sort of living through money trees, free slots, and bingo as easily as the new player could when I came in.

Once they get it all streamlined down to "either "make stuff and sell it or buy Lindens and buy the stuff" - along with some sort of idealistic notion that people are going to pay to attend events WITHIN A GAME (which is how most see it) - there will be fewer customers for our goods.

Right now, we have just had a nice influx of free players. Pretty soon there will be the MTV exposure, and various other similar things, which should keep a pretty good supply of revolving-door players coming in (and going out) for a while to sustain all us builders. But with the direction things are going in, I don't expect that to last forever. I plan to enjoy it while it does last.

Once we get down to nothing but make things and sell them, sell land and buy land, buy Lindens and buy things, then the population will start to decrease precipitously. All of this is due to - as far as I can tell - some kind of worshiping of the value of the Linden, above and over any considerations of why people like to be in SL. Its no good to look at "economics" without looking at psychology.

So I say - go for it, bladyblue. Try to reverse this trend before it is too late.

coco

Very classical&not objective answer to a post in these forums.
I read your old posts, you gave at least 10 samples from the REAL LIFE, to support your ideas.
What i mean is sometimes you people are using these sentences when u dont have ANY say to the post just because u dont like it:
"SL isn't real life. The more it becomes so the less I like it."
Sometimes:
"In real life bla bla"

Noy only you, usually people here if they have nothing to say, using these things.
"SL is not real" <- means not give LOGICAL samples from real life.
"In real life bla bla" <- I am giving LOGICAL samples from real life, so i am right.

This is not a good way of discussing.

And it is weird i read all your posts, half is supporting "dreamland" other half is criticising "ginko".
Weird.

What does "GOM'd" mean?

GOM was the Gaming open market. It was a website where you could buy and sell lindens. Linden labs then on very short notice announced they would be buying and selling Linden. GOM an outside service decided it could not compete with LL itself, and closed down shop.


GOM'd = Nationalize