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blaze Spinnaker
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Join date: 12 Aug 2004
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07-28-2005 06:16
Where do you stand!
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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Cindy Claveau
Gignowanasanafonicon
Join date: 16 May 2005
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07-28-2005 06:17
Where do you stand! Not on my reputation, for sure. _____________________
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Lance Mirabeau
Pees in the shower
Join date: 23 Jul 2005
Posts: 108
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07-28-2005 06:28
Blaze, how many times has this been discussed on the forums?
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blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
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07-28-2005 06:34
Hmm, since you registered?
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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Icon Serpentine
punk in drublic
Join date: 13 Nov 2003
Posts: 858
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07-28-2005 06:34
This vote doesn't even make much sense and it's rather pointed.
Polls should be limited to a very narrow type of question like "Which colour do you like more?" _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
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07-28-2005 06:36
Well, that's me. All pointed and sharp. Better watch out!!
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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Hiro Pendragon
bye bye f0rums!
Join date: 22 Jan 2004
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07-28-2005 06:41
Blaze, how many times has this been discussed on the forums? ... in General, where it should be posted in Land & Econ? _____________________
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Cindy Claveau
Gignowanasanafonicon
Join date: 16 May 2005
Posts: 2,008
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07-28-2005 06:50
Someone needs a class in Statistics and Customer Survey 101.
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Colette Meiji
Registered User
Join date: 25 Mar 2005
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07-28-2005 06:59
Blaze, how many times has this been discussed on the forums? a better question - how many times has blaze asked a variant on this question in the last 3 months? I dont see what they are trying to accomplish One day they are doom and gloom, the next day they are saying somehting positive. One day they are most definitely trolling and disagreeing on purpose. The next day they almost seem normal. |
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Kris Ritter
paradoxical embolism
Join date: 31 Oct 2003
Posts: 6,627
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07-28-2005 07:05
Is the economy endangering SecondLife? Yes! Ban Linden Dollars! I think it'll solve LOTS of problems.
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Newfie Pendragon
Crusty and proud of it
Join date: 19 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,025
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07-28-2005 07:40
Vague question with biased, leading answers. And as usual, no 'other' option.
Drama drama was a llama Turned to polls about 'your mama' Made up conspiracies out of thin air Made sane, reasonable people pull out their hair. Drama drama would like to spit At trumped up topics and other s**t Its smelly mess it'd leave behind On the forums, for our teeth to grind. Drama drama was proud to be The most rotten llama he could ever be. The forums he would wreak and rend, But it's us that got it in the end. - Newfie _____________________
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Colette Meiji
Registered User
Join date: 25 Mar 2005
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07-28-2005 08:25
That is true - one thing about blaze is they always post baised slanted polls
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blaze Spinnaker
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Join date: 12 Aug 2004
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07-28-2005 08:56
Hmm, so like, which way are they slanted anyways?
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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Seth Kanahoe
political fugue artist
Join date: 30 Jan 2005
Posts: 1,220
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07-28-2005 09:41
Which economy, RL or SL? Or both?
And, btw, the thing about blaze's polls is that they strive to be Swiftian. Understand that, and they taste better, kinda like potatos and Irish baby stew. |
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Colette Meiji
Registered User
Join date: 25 Mar 2005
Posts: 15,556
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07-28-2005 10:19
Which economy, RL or SL? Or both? And, btw, the thing about blaze's polls is that they strive to be Swiftian. Understand that, and they taste better, kinda like potatos and Irish baby stew. Swift didnt write 300 different versions of the same book. |
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Jeska Linden
Administrator
Join date: 26 Jul 2004
Posts: 2,388
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07-28-2005 10:45
Moved to the Land & Economy Forum. Please be fure to post in the correct forum.
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Seth Kanahoe
political fugue artist
Join date: 30 Jan 2005
Posts: 1,220
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07-28-2005 10:46
Colette:
True. But knowing Swift, if he thought it would irritate you, he might have. The problem with masters of satire is that they irritate the hell out of their contemporaries, who hate them. Which is part of what makes them masters of satire, of course. Is blaze a master of satire? Heh, I can't say. I know he's irritating, and I know that sometimes I enjoy it. |
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Colette Meiji
Registered User
Join date: 25 Mar 2005
Posts: 15,556
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07-28-2005 11:03
Is blaze a master of satire? Heh, I can't say. I know he's irritating, and I know that sometimes I enjoy it. i dont think They are a master of satire. |
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Jenna Fairplay
Sim Sales Broker
Join date: 8 Aug 2004
Posts: 374
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07-28-2005 11:24
Being a long time player and adviser to many I have to say that the economy of SL is poor. People are getting tired of being poor. Yes they buy Linden but they assume eventually they will have a way to make some L or not have to buy as much, but that is not the case.
There is so much vendor comeptition that it has killed inflation. People who would normally play the game of SL for pure entertainment are finding themselves spending hours on trying to create some items and get board, some will finish but thats about it. I have helped so many vendors become established back when I never even charged rent are feeling the pinch, sales are down SL wide. Now that isnt for everyone but a good portion. The game lost a lot of its direction for many players but thats my opinion and no one ever listens they just rather play a blame game and want it there way no compromise enjoy ![]() _____________________
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Newfie Pendragon
Crusty and proud of it
Join date: 19 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,025
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07-28-2005 11:41
I have helped so many vendors become established back when I never even charged rent are feeling the pinch, sales are down SL wide. Now that isnt for everyone but a good portion. Any hard evidence you may have to show sales are down SL wide would be greatly appreciated. My own sales have been rock-solid for a while now, if not gradually increasing. I can also state the same for at least two other people with which I assist in creation/marketing of their items. - Newfie _____________________
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Buster Peel
Spat the dummy.
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
Posts: 1,242
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07-28-2005 16:06
While a world without haves and have-nots might be more comfortable for some people, I think the economic aspects of SL make it a lot more interesting.
There are two aspects of SL that make it completely unique among MMOGs 1) The content of the world is (mostly) resident created, with the intellectual property rights vested in content creators. 2) The world has a currency that can be converted to RL currency such as US$, and a vibrant economy for "land", goods and services. (Whether L$ has "intrinsic value" or not, noone can argue that it can be converted to US$.) These two factors are interdependent. Many content creators would not be creating content if they couldn't sell it and convert the proceeds to US$. If you couldn't sell the content you create, there would be a lot less content. Which in turn would make the world less interesting, in turn leading to fewer subscribers. The downside to SL's economy is that everyone is not economically equivalent. Some people are better off than other people. This creates a very powerful economic factor called "incentive", however, which leads to a lot of activity that wouldn't happen without it. So the economic system has a cost (inequal outcome), and it has benefits (much richer, more vibrant content). Buster |
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Jenna Fairplay
Sim Sales Broker
Join date: 8 Aug 2004
Posts: 374
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08-02-2005 12:31
Any hard evidence you may have to show sales are down SL wide would be greatly appreciated. My own sales have been rock-solid for a while now, if not gradually increasing. I can also state the same for at least two other people with which I assist in creation/marketing of their items. - Newfie My evidence is my 10 months of providing vendors and sales to the SL community. Old long time vendors who's names are known and have a stedy flow of loyal customers sales would be good. New vendors unless they have something oh so new and a must have ex: critters, redshift avatars, motion hair... will struggle. If your a new vendor making just tshirts getting sales can be a struggle cause there are those who with larger established shops, vendors, and volume can provide more options, value, and quality. The new players who are trying to make some extra sl are the ones who I see each day giving up their vendor spot or asking for options if they cant pay rent, which I do provide. Some with rl skills have much larger odds of getting established but if your just learning psp or poser unless you can get established as an apprentise or gunho hard working it will be harder. I also feel forum poles are bias because a large portion of SL players dont even read the forums or if they do its to shop in the new products section o.o hehe _____________________
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