stolen land by group officer: what can be done?

didja know that officers can freely steal your land if its deeded to group?
didja know that even the lindens dowt that your land can be returned to you?
somehow tactics like this are allowed, and secondly not only can someone steal and sell your land..but there is no way to get it back besides buying your own land back. i spent my own hard earned cash to purchase my land in jessie..and yet now my group owns nothing there. will the lindens fix things? stay tuned to find out.


until then...beware who you allow to be an officer in your group owned land..they can make off with everything you own..and its legal.

It's an unfortunate situation and hopefully some (optional to use) tools can be implemented SOON to stop it where it's not desired. Unfortunately as things stand right now though it's not your land, it belongs jointly to the group. I'm very sad to hear that this happened to you though.

The person who first explained to you how to deed land to a group should have very thoroughly stressed to you ad naseum several times in capital letters that any officer of the group would be able to set the land for sale to themselves and take possession of it at any time without any warning.

If they didn't, you should hunt them down and string them up by whatever virtual private part they consider most valuable. I hate that this happened to you; but I hate even more that witless idiots explain to people how to do things and don't stress the important factors involved.

Don't expect the Lindens to do anything for you. The officer was acting within the bounds of the system. They've not broken any rules of the game. Your capitalized warning is well typed. Would that the fool who answered your question in the first place had typed it for you.

Hmmm . . . makes me glad my other group officer and I don't have to worry about this.

coco

Yeah, I had a feeling this thread was about you

If you buy land with your own hard earned cash and then deed it to a group, it's kinda like buying your dream car with the last of your savings and then lending the keys to some guy you met in a bar last week, hoping that he'll bring it back and not head off to the nearest shady car dealership...

Sucks that this has happened

This is why you gotta really think hard before deeding land, and imho, I would only deed land to a group with a few officers, not around 25, especially when there are few undesirables in the mix. I have group deeded land, but only with people I trust with my life, and I still took a long time to think about that.

Hope it gets sorted! I see its Nicole Lindens land now, and is "on hold"! Lets hope these gits don't win!

The biggest misconception I see involving group land is that the person deeding it to the group still feels it is their land. If you deed your land to the group, you are no longer the owner of this land, it belongs to the group. All officers of the group share equal responsibility as caretakers, no single person owns group land.

If you wish to retain full control of group land, you need to be the only officer of the group.

Fred's situation is unfortunate. But, technically, the officer did not "steal" Freds land. Fred deeded that land to the group, he gifted it to the group to share together, he no longer owned it. The guy that sold the land simply mismanaged a group asset without the consent of the other officers. Obviously it was done with malicious intent to benefit himself. And, it is a very slimey thing to do, but it was within the scope of his ability as a group officer. It is very unlikely the Lindens will get involved in this situation, unless there are other issues involved that merits abuse reporting.

I have seen this happen to others. It even seems obvious that some purposely attempt to gain trust, over weeks or months, in order to scam land away from a group once they are an officer of the group involved in land holding. There are more people that are good than that are bad, but you should always try to know who your dealing with in these matters.

Never allow yourself to be forced into deeding your land to a group. Never give in to pushy people demanding to be an officer of the group. If they are a tenant or just a pushy member, they can either accept how the officers are managing the land or they can move on. They have no real reason to be an officer no matter how convincing they may seem. Group land can be a great thing and very beneficial to many people, dont let this example be the "deal breaker" on your plans to have group land, just be informed and know the ins and outs before you trust your land to a group.

Maybe this can be avoided with a list of all the officers in a group on the parcel. Then, if people want it sold, they mark a checkbox or something and fill in the reason for wanting to sell the land and how much they want to sell it for. Afterwards, if half of the group agrees, then it is put up for sale for the average price and any prices out of the norm (L$10 for 512m2 or something) will be deleted.

If that doesnt work, there is also the possibility of only the group's founder being able to sell land, or they can set it so certain officers can sell certain plots. Finally, if all else fails, then the group can recall officers they dont trust!

someone else sugested that in the othr thread on this topic.
i belive a system that would only allow the person who payed for the land be able to sell it would work best.

Yes, I did. You can be the only officer and give modification rights (exclusive of land modification and sale) to indiviudual members. Which conditions make this inadequate to meet your needs? I am aware of the problems related to group votes to recall an officer.

this thread is dead, if you dont know why its not good for groups to only have 2 levels of land control, complete control and no control, then you dont need to post here.

The extent of your personal loss would make it unreasonable to expect someone to care enough to come to a discussion forum to warn others of the inadequacies of the group tools. Yet you did. Not everyone is aware of the problems and would benefit from your spelling out details and resolutions by way of your concrete example rather than an abstract discussion of possibilities. The extent of your loss makes an unwillingness to discuss and elaborate quite understandable.

Thanks for posting a warning to others unfamiliar with the potential problems of group ownership. I'm sorry that your attempt to provide a positive experience for your group led to such an extensive loss.

Maybe instead of actually deeding land to group, just land owning privileges should be given over. i.e. your group has combined prim allowances, but you are still land owner. If you leave group, then any privleges that your land afforded the group, is now reverted back to you only. So in other words, the group could govern your combined lands, but each individual still has sale or withdrawl rights.

Just thinking outload here

Az

I never understood why the sale of group owned land wasn't set up to be distributed according to the percent of land contribution rather than in equal payments to all members.