Proposal: Use of firearms instantly waives reporting push as abuse

Here's the idea:
- Use of a projectile weapon that utilizes a pushObject element automatically waives your right to abuse report any target of your projectile on grounds of pushObject. This waiver is only active for 10 minutes.

- Persons waiving their right to report pushObject abuse may still report other forms of abuse.

Might be tough to implement.

It's possible that someone using a push object with projectiles was not reacting to another person's abusive behavior...

You would have to qualify this suggestion by saying the push object or projectile was used on another avatar in reaction to their perceived abusive behavior. Thus the investigation only needs to determine if the first event was intentional...

If so, then by their action the second event nullifies the first and no action is warranted.

If it is determined that the first event was non intentional and accidental then the second event is determined to be abusive and the reactionary person is dealt with appropriately.

Either way any abusive reaction to perceived abuse by the second party shifts all responsibility to them, making it just plain dumb to escalate the situation by fighting back.

No disrespect intended, Hiro...

I am 34 years old. I have absolutely zero interest in guns, or retaliating against greifers. That's not what Second Life is all about for me.

I think this is a great policy proposal for Jesse and Rausch.

However, while this proposal may be fun for some, I'd prefer that we took a proactive approach to grief rather than a reactive one.

We need tools that allow us to prevent grief before it happens. Not escalation of the griefer war by sanctioning retaliation.

Say Bill comes to my trivia event and shoots Bob. Bob uses this policy to retaliate against Bill - but Bob is a poor shot, and inadvertently shoots Judy. Judy, feeling wronged - uses this policy to shoot back at Bob - but she sucks at shooting too, and knocks Fred out of the sim. Fred, in his fury, flies back and fires off a C4 to get back at Judy, affecting everyone within range. Imagine the drama. So much for Trivia.

I think better land parcel tools to prevent common forms of grief before they happen would be the most constructive way of nullifying the need for security scripts, and allow those who want peace to have it.

You can't exactly prevent someone from shooting a temp-on-rez object from a nearby plot.

Prevention is great, but when push comes to shove, land owners need the right to shoot back.

And if Bob is a poor shot, he should have used a homing script

Hehe - true

I know we can't prevent someone from shooting a temp-on-rez object from a nearby plot *today* - but what are the chances the devs could solve this problem in the future? (Assuming they had a motivation to work on it & solve it)

If we had realistic tools to prevent grief before it happens, the need to shoot back would (hopefully) never come up in the first place.

I'm still on the fence on this one. The idea of giving landowners the sanction to shoot back scares me. I'm worried it could open up some sort of new loophole for griefers we haven't thought of.

A couple questions:

- What if the griefer is my neighbor.... shooting me on my parcel from his parcel?
- What if I'm not the one shot, but it's one of my patrons - on my land. Who gets to shoot back?
- Typically, when I've been shot - it throws me into the next sim. By the time I fly back, the griefer is gone. How will this help?
- What if one of my hosts is shot by a griefer, and I'm not in attendance. The land is not group owned. What recourse would the host have?

1. Same difference.
2. The land owner / officer of group land.
3. Hopefully LL will re-implement the dropped feature from 1.6 that basically eliminates the "relog push".
4. Abuse report. This suggestion won't solve all cases, but it can help many.