Transfer to Creator without Trans Perm
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Nargus Asturias
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12-10-2005 06:17
Could that be possible? Transfering an object back to its Creator without need of transfer permission.
Since it's the creator of the object, there shouldn't be anything preventing him/her from getting the object they actually created, do they?
Such option might help alots in multi-persons development...
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Jackal Ennui
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12-10-2005 06:49
Excellent idea! I hope they will implement something like that when the permission system is revised.
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ZsuZsanna Raven
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12-10-2005 08:04
This would be quite helpful in situations where you buy a clothing item and then decide that it just doesn't look right on you or the quality wasn't the same as presented. I hate buying things only to see that they just don't look right and I have wasted my money because it cannot be returned or at least given away.
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MIRAGE Zephyr
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12-10-2005 09:29
Id like to see the abuilty to have some sort of instant re-fund of items bought from vendors that well just arnt what yah thought thay were. If i buy something thats defective or not correct at rl store i take it back, seems we should have the same thing in SL. I dont know how many times i bought something that was junk and am stuck w. it. Evan IM the makers never getting replys back. Mabey should start a SLBBB 
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Lex Neva
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12-10-2005 10:28
This is kind of tricky. Say I take a free object, hack it apart and make a ton of changes, and sell my new version (assume the initial creator is OK with this). Say I don't want transfer permissions granted to the people that buy it. People should not be able to transfer the object back to the original creator... because I modified the item drastically and added a lot more value.
It also gets tricky when you've got an object created by one person, but another object inside it created by another person. This feature could inadvertantly allow people to transfer any no-transfer object to someone by wrapping it in an object of theirs.
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Nargus Asturias
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12-10-2005 17:17
What about running a check with every objects in the inventory (and objects in objects) first? If not all of them have the same creator, then you can't transfer it unless taking those objects out first?
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Lex Neva
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12-11-2005 09:59
From: Nargus Asturias What about running a check with every objects in the inventory (and objects in objects) first? If not all of them have the same creator, then you can't transfer it unless taking those objects out first? That still doesn't help the case where one person creates an object, but another person actually adds the value to the object by modifying it. This happens a lot in SL...
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Nargus Asturias
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12-11-2005 10:15
But, if so, we're talking about 3 persons here? First one create the object, and send it to the 2nd one with trans perm. The 2nd one modify and send it to the 3rd? like that? Then, the object must already have transfer permission and shouldn't be a problem for the 3rd to send it back to the 1st anyway. isn't it? without the features i said. But if the object has no transfer permission; No one's gonna able to send it to you anyway unless that one is the creator.
Maybe it could check like this:
For all prims and inventory items in the prims; -- If it has transfer permission; Skip Creator checking -- If it has NO transfer permission; Check the Creator. If it not the same as the rest of the prims; Not allow object "Return"
If every prims and inventory items are Created by the same person, OR, they have transfer permission; Allow the object to be returned to the creator.
How's it?
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Jeffrey Gomez
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12-11-2005 14:40
One problem comes immediately to mind. When assets get a bit bugged in the system, they switch to "creator nobody." It's actually a fairly common bug; a lot of my stuff is flagged like this, even though I know I created it. That might cause a fair deal of frustration, no matter which way it cuts. 
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Lex Neva
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12-12-2005 09:52
From: Nargus Asturias But, if so, we're talking about 3 persons here? First one create the object, and send it to the 2nd one with trans perm. The 2nd one modify and send it to the 3rd? like that? Then, the object must already have transfer permission and shouldn't be a problem for the 3rd to send it back to the 1st anyway. isn't it? without the features i said. But if the object has no transfer permission; No one's gonna able to send it to you anyway unless that one is the creator.
Sorry,I should have been more specific. I was talking about a scenario like this: First person creates the object, turns on all "next-owner" permissions, gives it to second person. Second person modifies the object substantially and turns off "next-owner transfer" (anyone can make next-owner permissions more restrictive, not just the creator), gives it to person #3. Now person #3 has a no-transfer object created by person #1 but substantially modified and permission-restricted by person #2. It would not be fair to allow transferring the object back to person #1.
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Nargus Asturias
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12-12-2005 18:31
Oh, I see. That's tricky :/ Hmm.... What about this? Each object (prim?) has one more data field that keep the name of the person who give you the object/prim. And you can only return objects back to the person that gave it to you, not anyone else. This field should be leaved empty for objects that you created it yourself. But this mean more data and more space on the server hm... From: someone When assets get a bit bugged in the system, they switch to "creator nobody." It's actually a fairly common bug; a lot of my stuff is flagged like this, even though I know I created it.
That might cause a fair deal of frustration, no matter which way it cuts. Is the bug still out there? I think I haven't seen it for quite a while after some updates.
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Draco18s Majestic
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12-12-2005 19:21
I'd certainly like to see the feature (in one form or another). *Chuckles* Although I was in part the creator of this.
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